"Businesses that pay less than living wages don't deserve to exist" - President

Geeze Tom, it isn't that hard to understand. Create your own opportunity. Make yourself worth more. It is that simple. When you yell and cry, whimper and whine to someone else to make you worth more, you have lost your own value. Don't stand up against someone else, stand up for yourself by creating value where before there was none.

The liberal mind automatically finds the answer to such problems by blaming others. There is no logical basis for this. But logic isn't a tool readily at hand ir seems.

 

Envy is a stinky cologne.

 

Ironically those making minimum wage agreed to their rate of pay BEFORE starting to work for their companies. To then blame others for their own situation is a bit odd. They could have said no and competed for higher paying jobs instead of settling. But then that would not permit them to argue that they're being treated unfairly in a job they agreed to perform for an agreed upon amount.

The problem is we've gutted the middle class, meaning we've lost jobs that pay those living wages we're accustomed to. We've hemorrhaged jobs for years now and it's not getting better overall.

 

Correct.

Now Democrats want to distract the country with Minimum Wage instead of actually giving attention to the Middle Class and real sustainable jobs where it belongs. They are destroying small businesses hand over fist and running off large employers at a record pace. But, let's all worry about Fast Food Workers!!!! What a bunch of crap.

 

I wonder why they don't smell it on the likes of Steyer, or Kerry, or just about any liberal politician who lines their pockets with the lucre of others?

The slave reference is especially ironic, given the liberal's thirst for tyranny over the free choice of the individual.

 

Just wait until they "pivot" back to immigration and the jobs American's won't do.

Apparently we're too stupid to realize that the jobs we won't do don't pay enough.

 

So does that mean that Obama would be a hypocrite for relying on all those "get out the vote" organizations that pay their workers minimum wage?

 

Its so nice they you seem to have an endless stream of quotes and stories to tell about evil Republicans but we are here to debate facts not cpicturetaker story hour...

What does your story have to do with living wages?

 

"U.S. Department of Health and Human Services website"

Is run by Fox News??

 

In some parts of the world 10 American dollars would feed a family for a month. Poverty is relative. Also, in the United States of America no one will EVER force you to work at a job you don't like. You are free to get a higher paying job. As the left always tells us, the illegal immigrants will happily flip burgers for 9 bucks an hour, you know the jobs you guys don't want to do. So why not just get a higher paying job?

 

Excellent point. When did that train of thought vanish from this country? Find out who caused that knowledge to disappear and deport the idiot.

 

I hope you realize
That patriotism and the loyalty to your countrymen Had a different meaning when that statement was made

Only a small Number of the rich was waging war on the poor
Today Many people call themselves patriotic But worship the rich and demonize the poor

Ironically one of Franklin roosevelt's supporters
And a supporter of everything that Roosevelt stood for and advocated
That person when they became president
Started the war on the poor and the antigovernment sentiment
That was Ronald Reagan
And for many the antigovernment sentiment has now grown anti American sentiment

So From some you cannot expect loyalty to their countrymen

 

There goes tons the jobs for young adults, working moms/dads, part time extra, special needs adults, season jobs, etc....

It's time to close gas stations, fast food restaurants, nearly all small restaurants, convenience stores, retail stores, movie theaters, fun zones, and more.

Congratulations Mr. President and Liberals, in your economic neophyte stage you would basically destroy the U.S. Economy completely.

 

That's interesting. Because a few months ago, I calculated that the minimum wage would have to be $23.91 in order to be considered a 'living wage' here in New York...

http://www.wallstreetvixen.com/minimum-wage-question-2-why-10-10/

 

do you not understand raising the minimum wage also increases the cost of living because businesses just pass on the extra labor cost to the customer. so you are not solving anything just causing inflation, but I wouldn't expect you to understand

 

if your only option is a minimum wage job the problem is with you not the wage
go get an education learn a skill and you wouldn't have to rely on a minimum wage job for a living

 

No right? FDR was a dope.

 

Taxcutter says:
Life is all about competition.

 

A minimum wage job is not a career. It's a job you work until you get a career.

"People should acknowledge that this rather heated policy discussion is over a very small group of people. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics there are about 3.6 million workers at or below the minimum wage (you can be below legally under certain conditions). That is 2.5 percent of all workers and 1.5 percent of the population of potential workers. Within that small group, 31 percent are teenagers and 55 percent are 25 years old or younger. That leaves only about 1.1 percent of all workers over 25 and 0.8 percent of all Americans over 25 earning the minimum wage.

Within that tiny group, most of these workers are not poor and are not trying to support a family on only their earnings. In fact, according to a recent study, 63 percent of workers who earn less than $9.50 per hour (well over the minimum wage of $7.25) are the second or third earner in their family and 43 percent of these workers live in households that earn over $50,000 per year. Thus, minimum wage earners are not a uniformly poor and struggling group; many are teenagers from middle class families and many more are sharing the burden of providing for their families, not carrying the load all by themselves"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2014/01/30/almost-everything-you-have-been-told-about-the-minimum-wage-is-false/

 

Sorry no they cant, do you think they own their body, skills and time? No leftists own that.

How could they be born and educated without hospitals and indoctrination centers that leftists paid for? Well paid for after taking our money at gun point, but hey thats their right, they supply hospitals and indoctrination centers!!

But heres the real game: flood in low skilled 3rd world immigrants price them out of the market with min wages then buy their votes with gifts taken from other people. Then blame capitalism, what a scam. Its pure anti-worker policy.

They'll squeal about the wealthy 1% all day long, then argue to tax wages more - more anti worker! Yet the 1% dont make the bulk of their wealth via wages, compounding investments in business where its at. Of course the large centralized all seeing all controlling govts that leftists love are very important in gaining favor to make sure that invest keeps growing.

 

sshhhhh, pesky facts are not allowed to get in the way of a good vote buying agenda..



There are many good reasons to be min wage....
...teenager first job
...student in college
....supplementary income


there are many bad reasons to be min wage
.... your degree is in a bad, not highly demanded, subject like Liberal Arts
.... you dropped out of highschool because you were preggo, and now, at 35, it's the only job you are qualified for
.... you have a record and noone else will hire you

 

I'm so surprised that neither the OP or any other liberal here could present a logical economic argument to explain why they think changing the scale that measures value makes a difference to the value the scale represents.

Ask them why the minimum wage shouldn't be 100 dollars an hour. They'll say that's ridiculous. They can't explain why though.
Ask them why shouldn't be able allowed to choose to work for less than their proposed minimum and you get silence.
Ask them what happens to the people who lose their jobs, have their hours cut, have their benefits cut, or have their cost of living increase and you get either silence, or the pompous claim that it's good for them because it's good for everyone.

I once had an argument with someone over the minimum wage who claimed that I couldn't point to any scientific, historic, or statistical evidence to support what I was saying. I pointed to 2 studies that researched hundreds of domestic and foreign studies of minimum wage policy. Almost all of them concluded that minimum wage increases cost jobs, increase the cost of living, reduce benefits, and reduce hours worked. Most importantly, they in majority conclude that the minimum wage has very little effect on raising the standard of living of the working poor. In his very next statement he claimed that 90% of science is junk.

 

The O has spoken. What a putz! only 975 more days .. and he's out.

 

if raising the min wage fixed the welfare problem in the us, why didn't it fix it the past 20 times the min wage was raised.

 

let's start at the beginning.
First, a wage increase will include an increase in taxes.
Second, when you raise the minimum wage, everyone raises their prices around you. Gas, food, services, etc.
Third, business who cannot recover the employment and service costs will shut down.
Last, here's a loose breakdown:
Based on 40 hr work week (that's disappearing fast. More like 32 hr week)
300.00/wk@7.5 x 52= $15,600 annually
404.00/wk@10.10x52=$21,008 annually
*based on 9% income tax
**based on 10% income tax due to increase of wages.
**$21,008x10%=2,100 (adjust spendable income) $18,908
* $15,600x 9%= $1404 (adjust spendable income) $14, 196
$4,127 difference

Your "improvement" nets a cool $91/week
Let's now factor in the increase that always come along with a wage hike.
Gas goes up anywhere from 10 cents to 1.00 a gal.
Food goes up 5-10%
utilities go up 5-10%
You are no better off than before EXCEPT that the government is collecting more in taxes. They are the only ones pocketing your better wages.
Those getting a wage increase will never see it in their pockets. Your so-called betterment program only feeds the government and corporations, not the individual.