So you think you deserve $15 an hour for shucking fries? No.

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  1. leftlegmoderate

    leftlegmoderate New Member

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    What a slap in the face to skilled workers.

    Restaurant workers, grocers/retail, unskilled laborers... are simply not worth $15/hr when a lot of welders, mechanics, construction workers, assemblers, are making about the same.

    If you work outside of management in the service industry, and feel you're worth more money... prove it... go learn a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing skill of some sort.
     
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    Mac-7 Banned

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    How about a law that reduces your pay by 50% and that money goes to a needy fry shucker?

    Or maybe you make enough to support 5 high school dropouts on 50%.

    That would make you 5 times the hero in lib la la land.

    But you have no right to every others that they have to give more.
     
  3. freakonature

    freakonature Well-Known Member

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    19-25, well, shouldn't have pushed college so hard if young adult wages were important.
     
  4. iamkurtz

    iamkurtz Banned

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    How does making $15 an hour make lives better for the people who will lose their jobs to offset the pay hike?
     
  5. freakonature

    freakonature Well-Known Member

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    Why do you want to imprison folks with low expectations?
     
  6. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    I have relatives that fought during the Harlan Coal Miners Strike they got violent on both sides until someone died a striking worker, then they came to terms on a union contract. Workers if they want fair pay and treatment need to fight for it properly and be willing to do what is needed.
     
  7. jpevans

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    Geeeze, as an Angrytaxpayer, you sould be glad that the government will no longer have to supplement their earnings with foodstamps.
    The factis that all wages for working folks have stagnated for the past 30+ years. So that, while $15. may be more than you make, That doesn't make it overpayed.
    We need to infuse the economy with desposable income, & seein' as the socalled job creators aren't introducing enough manufacturing jobs, because not enough folks are buying, introducing money to the marketplace will increase demand for products, thereby opening up more job ops in manufacturing, Trickle down is a failed policy, unless your at the top of the pyramid.
    :oldman:

     
  8. savage-republican

    savage-republican Well-Known Member

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    I do not think any coal miner would believe that someone who works at McDonalds should make as much or more than them. Also, the coal miners have been reduced ten fold through automation, its now happening with the service industries. Progress will always happens, funny how liberals are so progressive except when it comes to making life safer, and easier for a worker.
     
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    My grandfather on my mother's side died from black lung working the WV coal mines. It was far more dangerous than bagging a Happy Meal.
     
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    I have many times, in Japan, where you can order a hot pizza from a vending machine. Automated vending machines are quite common over there, and have been around for decades. You choose your order, pay, and receive a voucher, which you then present to the cook, who serves you the food. Judging on how virtually every time I visit my local Makkers, the kid on the register screws up the order (especially in drive through), I'd actually feel more comfortable with automated cashier.
     
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    Minimum wage has been exceded by inflation, people working for minimum require puplic assistance to survive in todays economy, which explanes why the majority of the puplic(the market) support raising it.
    :oldman:

     
  12. Channe

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    it's also just as bad to criticize everything he does as a conservative
     
  13. tkolter

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    My point was PICKETING does nothing on its own, what these workers need to do is play the game form a PAC and vote in their best interests and use their numbers which is significant to change laws. If one adds in tipped workers, and others.
     
  14. Marine1

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    I'll agree with that. Some states and cities have a very low cost of living and $15.00 an hour would be more like some get working in a factory, so it makes little since to say that min. wage should be $15.00 an hour. That could be true in places like Seattle and San Francisco too. Of course you won't be buying a one dollar hamburger there either. People need to be reasonable when calling for a national min wage hike.
     
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    The answer is easy - fast food monkeys are paid low wages because their job can be done by a million other monkeys.
    Maybe they did no work at school, or just too stupid to earn anything; either way begs a question:
    Why are they worth any more, or even worth what they're paid at the moment?

    These workers, commonly too lazy to get further education, aren't worth the time.
    Easy enough, if they don't want the job, leave and give it to someone who wants to work.
     
  16. Marine1

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    Don't forget when wages go up, so do prices. It's also a trickle down effect. People like to think it gives you more money to spend, but that is usually only at the beginning. Prices rise also and that extra money in your pay check soon disappears.But there are places in some states and cities that haven't kept pace with the cost of living.
     
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    you're ok with a full time worker making below the poverty line and then taking government assistance that you will be paying for ?

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    this is true, but not as much as you'd think.
    for example, in Denmark people at McDonald's work for the equivilent of $14/hr and their food prices are only $0.15 per $1 more than ours.
     
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    Rough language, but essentially correct. Minimum wage was never meant to be a "living" wage, simply a stepping stone, a career start, a "get by" for a little while. I too was paid a minimum wage when first immigrated into US; did not complain or demonstrated for more, no sir... but it was another time...
     
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    I agree with you that initial it was meant to be a stepping stone. But things have changed - the economy and the corporate scene has altered our employment landscape to a very different thing. Right now over 30% of retail employees have a college degree and they're making less than $11/hr. The jobs just aren't there and, frankly, aren't necessary due to technology and outsourcing.

    What are these millions of people to do ? They can't be expected to work 80 hours weeks just to average a $30,000 income.
     
  20. Marine1

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    I have a Grandson who quit school, went out with a couple of buddies and stole a dune buggy. When they finished playing with it they ran it down a mine shaft. My Grandson got caught and was sent to prison for one year. He got out and had a heck of a time getting a job. What he got, was just a hair over minimum wage.His motorcycle broke down and no money to fix it. I fixed it for him. But he was constantly hitting people up for money and complaining no one would hire him and pay a decent wage. Then came the old, no one loves me. No one wants to help me. Even though he was living at home and not paying his Mom a dime.His Mom and I sat the boy down and told him, your going nowhere and no one can afford to give you the help you want. If your ever going to dig yourself out of the hole you put yourself in, you need to get a high school diploma or GED and learn yourself a trade. After about six months of refusing to do anything but complain, he decided to get a GED. Two months later, he enrolled in a diesel mechanic school. A week after graduating he went up to ND where they found all that oil and is now making a six figure salary.
     
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    Jacking up minimum wage to the level of National median income is not the answer. The ensuing inflation alone will eat up population's meager savings and insure economic chaos.

    Lock the G*d damn borders, kick illegals out. THAT will help.
     
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    He has a Brother and two sisters who also quit school. The brother and one of the sisters also got their GED. The sister went to beauty school and finally got a job and the brother is in heating and air conditioning school right now and will graduate next month. The other sister refuse to go after her GED and quit beauty school in less than a week after enrolling with her sister. She was content on doing nothing but living with bums and getting pregnant. She is now living in an apartment and drawing welfare for three children by three different men and not married.
     
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    i don't want it jacked up on a national level - i want it done state by state and just enough to keep them above the state's poverty line.
    these full time working poor end up on government assistance which taxpayers front the bill for.
     
  24. Bluesguy

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    It does now. But then what does a student working at McDonald's living at home have to do with the poverty line?
     
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    People have to realize that working at McDonalds and flipping hamburgers was never meant to pay a living wage. It was meant to give extra money to college kids or supplement a family's income. If you want a living wage you need to learn a trade that will pay a living wage.
     

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