Hundreds of Germans protested Ukrainian fascism, on the occasion of visit to Germany

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  1. Zarathustra

    Zarathustra Banned

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    (laughs) I see you are a Jew from Kazakhstan. Probably a great expert on the "cult of personality". Mr. Nazarbayev knows about your addiction to foreign forums?
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Chechnyans were exiled to Siberia because they were sympathetic to the Germans. The Greeks were exiled to Siberia because they refused to collectivize, why were the Jews exiled? :confuse:
     
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    Forgive me. Shame on my. My english...I am really sorry. I mixed up these things...arrghh

    btw.

    I do remember that I did comunicate in turkish with your people when I was in Volgograd once.

    Türce billyorsun? Biraz?

    Hadi ^^

    ( I do personally think that you made up "Borat" for fun because of that movie... Am I right? ;-)

    In german we do say: Spassvogel
     
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    It's cool, man, no shame at all and no offense was taken, honest mistake and your English is extremely good :)


    Sorry, Türce nicht verstehen, Kazakh only....My neighbor Nursultan Tuyakbay does speak fluent Turkish though but he is not speaking with me after I returned from my trip to the USA LOL ;)
     
  5. Zarathustra

    Zarathustra Banned

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    My friend,
    1. Russia always war . If Russia is not at war, then the revolution (and civil war) Russian born into war. For them, the war is the norm. This, scare "boomerang" is silly.
    At Russian is the only requirement to the enemy. At Russian, must be only have enemies to be hated, but not enemies to be despised.
    2. (laughs) Putin there is no need to talk. The whole world listens to his silence, with bated breath.
     
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    Do not write crap. Matter who won. Ask Obama or Bush. History is written by the winners. This is Julius Caesar said. If you like the Finns for example, you can give to them its apartment or savings. That's your business. But public land - you can not. Even theoretically. Otherwise, it is called a traitor. As Judas.
     
  7. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ronstar many of the leaders of the Bolsheviks were Jews, and Europe saw what happened in Russia...like for instant twenty million people killed. They saw communism and internationalism as a threat towards their cultural identity, and so many reacted with an extreme nationalism and a persecution towards those who leaned towards it the most; the Jews. Let me ask you, how would Israel react if they felt the cultural identity of their nation and their institutions were being threatened?

    I'm not excusing either side because they were both evil. On one side was the pagan nationalism of Germany, and on the other side, the atheist communism of the Soviet Union. Today we have a similar situation. There are two opposing evils facing one another. On the one side is fundamental Islam with the tyranny of a strict adherence to sharia law, and on the other side a liberal tyranny, which denies rights to anyone opposing their politically correct viewpoint.
    :oldman:
     
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    Vis, you might agree on me and I on you. That guy is antirussian indeed!

    "History is with the winners"...like that Hitler did justifie his attack on Russia. I do find your behaviour and thinking, unlike the one of your nice russian compatriot vis would have perfectly fit into the concept of the ex german chancellor and his Reich.

    Sry, but I really cannot see any difference.

    "Russia is born into war"...here the boomerang: You wrote me I do write crap? Here we go...

    No human beeing is born into war. Human beeings do exist to have friends, a family, fun with children, to eat very well (very important! May be you do eat badly...the french part in me would really advise you to eat better), to have nice sex and to help your neighbors if needed...

    Tell that to other russians and they would call you mad. "Born for or into war"...you did watch to many russian supermann movies of the WW2 I guess.

    I guess you do dream to be Shukov and comand 2 million soldiers to storm Berlin every night hey? hahaha I wonder if you sleep with a Kalashnikov and a helmet on your head.

    Under the portrait of papa Stalin, no?

    You are childish indeed. All forgiven. But your parents should feed you better. Seriously: good food will solve 50% of your trouble! The other 50% will be solved by a nice woman, but do not shoot her in bed when you just dream to bee at Stalingrad to defend a factory!

    Otherwise your wife will run away and never come back! (In case she is able to survive your dreams...also: do not dream that you enter in Germany and rape her! Also that will not be wellcomed I guess)
     
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    You just got used to the hypocrisy of Western politicians and the media that serve them. All tolerant Europeans - hypocrites. Comes a new world order. Get used to listen to the truth.
     
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    It's like saying that most criminals in the US are blacks so racism is therefore justified. Total nonsense. Yes, many Bolshevik leaders were jews but many were not, more importantly maybe 1 out of 10,000 Jews was a Bolshevik leader...Guess what it means mathematically, that 9,999 jews out of 10,000 were absolutely innocent people. How does that justify persecution (let alone genocide) of the entire Jewish population of Europe?
     
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    It is simply the conception to find always somebody to hold responsible. It is the oldest and at the same time cheapest conception what exist.

    All also funny. If I would tell inhere that I am convinced Hopi Indians are having a masterplan to rule the world, I would be considered as brain damagded. If I tell the same crap about jews, I am celebrated by the combined antisemitic community on earth.

    That such scum as the antisemites do really believe in that nonsense would be funny in fact if it wasn't so sad the same moment.
     
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    These nations in the north are all paranoid. They assume Russia wants to conquer and triumph over them, and so they're asking for more Nato arms, etc., but you know what? Paranoids always do and feel towards others, what they assume others do and feel towards them. These nations are envious of Russia and feel humiliated that they were always under Russia, so they want to conquer and suppress Russia themselves.

    Well as the Great Grand Master *Vladimir Putin* said, you can push a spring just so far before it springs back. In other words they are being disrespectful and treating Russia badly, thinking they can do so with impunity because of the U.S.. What they are doing though, is creating the very situation they are afraid of. Paranoids tend to do that.

    To me they are very stupid, because instead of going out of their way to be nice to their powerful neighbor, they are doing the opposite so that when a war breaks out... and it will, they will be the first to turn to dust. :oldman:
     
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    No evil is ever justified. :oldman:
     
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    I concur....If only Putin knew ;) LOL
     
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    Hitler in 1941 also thought that he was a winner. Napoleon in 1812 also thought he was a winner when he took Moscow. Emperors of Roman Empire also thought that they are the winners, but finally it collapsed. Soviet Union, by the way lost cold war. And Russia in current state is much weaker than USSR.
     
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    I do go really far now. If all russians who are in Crimea would feel and act like you, I would say: wellcome for your reunification.

    I do personally think that the main difference between a peacefull reunification as the german one to the one in Crimea is about how it did happen.

    In the case of Germany in according and peace with it's neighbors. In the case of Crimea, with Putins power against it's neighbors and not in according to a balanced procedure.

    I am not against a reunification of people who want so. I am against decissions done by military force.

    I think if Ukraine and Russia would have found a solution, let's say as the swedish and finish did for some islands or as France did with Germany about La Sarre (in german Saarland)...all fine.

    But the reasons here are to me different: Putin did show up his military power and destablized. That is also I feel extrimily offended when he had the chuzpe to tell that "we germans" should understand all because of our reunification. That was a very strong insult to german peaceful and well balanced 2+4 talks that time and germans need to do all in according to its neighbors needs.

    I would say in Crimea it was more than simply "not diplomaticly well done". Putin wasn't diplomatically just clumsy, he did force all neighbors and especially Ukraine with lot's of lies to accept the power of the strongest.

    But if I see you vis...you deserve to be trusted and respected. You do have zero in common with the fear I did mention inhere so many times about Putins Russia. And I also do...understand and in your case eaven respect that you might be happy that Crimea was taken from Russia. It simply wasn't at all correct the way it did happen and the consequences are an unstable neighbor (Ukraine) and many fear around your country.

    But I start to think that there must be a way to solve all. It simply cannot be solved with the Putin goverment and honestly...I am afraid of your country. Really afraid. That is no theatre. But I do include people like you in the good Russia no matter that you are happy about Crimea now - I also do worry that something bad will happen from Putin to people like you. You understand? In Germany they did first kill the jews from eastern Europe. german jews said: "we are germans, it cannot be us! We did fight for our fatherland in the first war!"

    The german jews have been the last to be killed, to be murdered...

    1. that was very very very illoyal to the top...no honorable prussian soldier should have tolerated that...they just not only did tolerate that, they did partly support these crimes! Shame to the Wehrmacht here! But the general idea that it will not be you,, that you might be saved...

    Vis, tomorrow Putin might include people like you in his brutality. Be aware of that. I never ever ask you to stand up against Russia. That would be discusting. I am not that kind of person. I do simply very politely ask you to stand up for your own principles. You are save here in Berlin, do not forget.

    You should understand that as much as I did critizise some russians, I would insist that Berlin shall be a save place for you for ever. if your view might change and you would feel better here. You are wellcomed in OUR city.

    I do mean it that way.
     
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    The Soviet Union lasted for 73 years.

    during the vast majority of those years, Jews made up a very small minority of its leadership.

    it is bigoted, dishonest, and hateful to blame the Jews for the crimes of the USSR.

    it is just what the Nazis did.
     
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    Well, at the time when there was a genocide in the Soviet Union, the Jews were disproportionally represented in the power structures of this Empire of Evil.

    After WWII Soviet Union was a stagnating and a not excessively violent power, governed by Ukrainians, like Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Gorbatchev.
     
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    Your mass media are liars. don't believe it. i'm from ukraine. ukrainian army really kill us. there are not russian terrorists, there are only ukrainian fascists!
     
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    yeah, tell the Hungarians, Czechoslovaks, East Germans, Afghanis, Romanians, how peaceful and kind the post-WW2 Soviets were.

    - - - Updated - - -

    and the Jews were also victims of the Holodomor.
     
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    They were also the victims of Hitler fascism which Stalin opposed.
     
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    bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!!!

    Stalin made a deal with Fascist Hitler to divide up Eastern Europe.

    during that time, millions of Jews became under the tyranny of Hitler and were persecuted/murdered.

    how many did Stalin bring into the USSR's "protection"? only 200,000.
     
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    Once again: Gorbatchov was from Kafkas, NOT Ukraine...

    At least check what you speculate inhere please.
     
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    Ronstar, I want politely tell you again: do not take that guy Art Alm that serious. His comments are mostly (allways to me) far from anything reasonable and not at all in according to german mainstream. No way.
     
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    Stalin was a Nazi? But aren't Nazism and Communism ideological opposites, the former of the far-right, the latter of the far-left?

    In any case, as far as I am aware in August 1945 the western area of Poland was occupied by Soviet forces by which time millions of Germans had already fled the Soviet onslaught, and the remaining Germans were being expelled by the Poles and the Czechs. Tens of thousands arrived exhausted and dying in Berlin and elsewhere in Brandenburg and Saxony.

    Certainly that's how George Kennan observed the situation in his Memoirs (vol. I, 265):

    "The disaster that befell this area with the entry of the Soviet forces has no parallel in modern European experience. There were considerable sections of it where, to judge by all existing evidence, scarcely a man, woman, or child of the indigenous population was left alive after the initial passage of Soviet forces; and one cannot believe that they all succeeded in fleeing to the West."

    Large–scale ethnic cleansing appeared to have taken place, and the Anglo-Americans were at this stage seemingly helpless to stop it. At Potsdam Conference they went on record objecting to the extent of the expulsions and to try to gain some control over the actual transfer. Thus emerged the "humanitarian" language of Article XIII of the Potsdam Protocol, published as a communiqué on 2 August 1945 at the end of the Conference:

    "The Three Governments having considered the question in all its aspects, recognize that the transfer to Germany of German populations, or elements thereof, remaining in Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary, will have to be undertaken. They agree that any transfers that take place should be effected in an orderly and humane manner." (Foreign Relations of the United States, the Conference of Berlin, vol. 2: 1495).
     

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