Gaza Agreement ; Hamas prepares for unity government.

so if Hamas didn't commit terrorism today, that means they aren't terrorists??



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the PLO Charter and the Palestine Declaration of Independence declare UNGA 181 to be "null & void".

The United Nations accepted Israel as a member in 1949 within their borders as of 1949.

 

You were the one who said they committed terrorism on a daily basis, remember?.

 

I never said that. Don't misreprensent my comments.

 

Yes you did. I'm not misrepresenting Jack sh*t

 

prove that I said this or I shall report you for trolling.

I never said such a thing, and you have no evidence that I ever did.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=358682&page=5&p=1063937726#post1063937726

Post 41. Now apologize or I will report YOU.

 

report me....for what? demanding that you back up your claim against me?

no sir.

 

So you were wrong, and I was right. Think before you bleat BS in future, ok?

 

I hope that Israel reacts to this unity govt. by annexing all land west of the Seperation Barrier and withdrawing from all land east of it.

 

Unity govt. ? Please..
Hammas will take over Fatah, shoot their knees snd take over the Israeli west bank.
Hammas will destroy Fatah !! It's only a matter of time..

 

Interesting answer, very long winded and more over the facts re Arafat's actions are complete nonsense. He did not do any of this.

The PA under Abbas is a moderate force and is a solid partner in peace to reach out to.

And Occupation forces do not allow their own populations to settle on occupied territory.

 

Indeed, can it do anything it wants or are there limits? If so what are those limits and why would Israel exceed them?

 

1/ Most palestinian arabs families have always been there since medieval times and before since the arabs mingled with the locals.

2/ Most jews have not always been there and do not have direct lineages to Palestine at all.

3/ Jews were not forced out of Palestine.

4/ Palestine has not always been Jewish.

 

1)Some Jews have always been there, including part of my family.

2)Most Jews have direct lineages to palestine and mesopotamia, thats why we have the term diaspora, they were living outside their homeland, while certain rabbinical families stayed in contact with the locals jews there. Exiled Jews have direct lineages to the Judeans/Israelites, they are hebrews. Again, a diaspora community like the assyrian population. The cohens are just one example which prove direct lineage to the levites, the vast majority of genetic studies show that jews share more in common with other jews than with their host populations of the diaspora.

3)Many jews were forced out of ancient israel by the romans in the first century CE, and the romans renamed it filistia, in an attempt to sever judean/hebrew ties by naming the region after the enemy of the jews, the phillistines.

4)Palestine has been Jewish back to the time of the caananites. Thats why all of the cities have hebrew names and hebrew artifacts underneath.

 

Yes some have, most have not.

In fact most Jews have direct lineages to all the various places their ancestors have moved to and settled in, including the middle east, the mediterranean, and the rest of europe. Most Jews did not have family in Palestine, did not know anyone in Palestine and knew nothing of the land and had built nothing on it.

There was no actual forcing out of Jews from Palestine by the Romans, it wasnt their style. They left for other reasons.

Palestine has been Arab back to the time of the Islamic conquests. Moreover the arab genetic lineage and actual residence goes back to even before the Canaan times.

 

Many if not most Americans for example, have ''direct lineage'' to Europe, but that doesn't mean they have any right to go and live there.

If I find that I have direct lineage to say the Vikings, should I have a right to go and live somewhere in Scandinavia, and perhaps kick some family out of their home if they or their ancestors immigrated there from somewhere else?

 

Dusty1000; Ovadia; et al,

It really doesn't matter if one can establish a direct linage from a biblical times, a continuous line for a thousand years, or if only a post-WWI migrant history, the reality is that the Allied Powers began a project, and the UN carried it as far as it could go. There is a place for the Jewish National Home --- called - the State of Israel. The Arabs of the Middle East don't like it. They want it. They have chosen, as their tool, armed struggle and Jihad.

(COMMENT)

Today, 98 years after the Sykes-Picot Agreement (16 MAY 1916), we are still trying to, --- honor in some peaceful way --- that "negotiations with the Arabs as to the boundaries of the Arab states shall be continued through the same channel as heretofore on behalf of the two powers."

It is not about what was in ancient time, or who has what DNA, or who promised who - what. It is about settling and old dispute with old enemies over territorial control.

It is time that the belligerents agreed to a "binding arbitration" and to settle all claims, reparations, make all restitution, pay-up for war damages - and establish recognizable boundaries; generating a clean slate. Neither side had suffered enough to sit down and strike a bargain for peace. So the status quo remains in place. But eventually, the Arab-Palestinian will tire of being contained and quarantined because of their threat to the peace, and they will begin the process of building a government that acts in the best interest of their people. Until then, ---

Most Respectfully,
R

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...lers.27_impressions_of_19th-century_Palestine

 

Exactly.

That's the point I am making.

Is it only in matters relating to Israel, that you support the concept of forced population displacement?

Did you for example, support white rule in South Africa, and the blacks being restricted to living in bantustans? After all, Reagan did say that Nelson Mandela's ANC was one of the more notorious terrorist organisations.

Is there any other population that you support the forced displacement of, apart from the Palestinians?

 

wrong!!!!

they enslaved hundreds of thousands of them and brought them to Rome and other parts of the Empire.

the slaves who built the Colliseum were Jewish slaves from Judea.

more Jews left Judea as laws discriminated against Jews increased.

 

It's only a question of time.
The terrorists from Hammas ( the Palestinian Bedouin rulers in Gaza ) will spread like cancer among the fat Fatah.
Hammas will take over the Israeli west bank.
Stupid Fatah !!!

 

The term "peace" and the even murkier "peace process" are thrown about without too much thinking about what constitutes peace. At its simplest, peace is the opposite of war, but in the nuclear age so simple a dichotomy no longer is of much use. The Cold War was not a war as the world had just experienced, but neither was it peace as the world imagines it.

Israel has peace of a sort, thanks in large part to the wall separating the Palestinians from large parts of their land. But no thoughtful person believes that such a wall can create lasting peace. Lasting peace implies stability and the instability of the Arab world is beyond the power of Israel or anyone else to remedy. No piece of paper signed by Abbas and Netanyahu is capable of bringing peace because no agreement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority can create stability in the Arab world. The best that can be hoped for, even following a settlement of the Palestinian question and the establishment of a true Palestinian state is a protracted, intermittent cease-fire.

If the past century is any guide, stability will come to the Arab world, one hopes before the end of this century. Such stability will presuppose a political resolution of internal Arab conflicts. This seems unlikely at the present moment, but the example of China is a spark of hope. Who could have predicted at the beginning of the twentieth century the China which exists at the beginning of the twenty-first century?

 

Thats at one period of time, at other periods of time the christians outnumbered the muslims by large numbers. Jews were always there with numbers waxing and waning. The land was very desolate by the 19th century though, at least outside of the major cities. A lot of zionist immigrants died from malaria while working the land and irrigating. The swamps were awful. Thats what everyone keeps forgetting is that many zionist immigrants purchased the land from the ottomans and the arabs. The sellers thought they were completely nuts because it was a wasteland.

 

Of course you are right, I just have a hobby of tracking the jewish diaspora and genealogies.

 

Direct lineage is not about land claims. Its about history, thats all I am pointing out. Although it certainly doesn't hurt the israel cause. If they wanted a state in botswana, then I would be opposed to it. Jews are just well, jewish. Preserving the hebraic tradition throughout the diaspora, that is all I am saying.

Btw, the biggest error people make is that hebrew died out and that ben yehuda invented hebrew. He didn't, he simply added modern words to the lexicon and modified the grammar and unified the accents and dialects. Hebrew always existed, jews, especially religious ones could always speak it, it just wasn't the common language until the state of Israel. Prior to that it was the language of torah study AND communication between jewish communities. As I keep saying, how else could ladino speakers and yiddish speakers communicate? Through Hebrew, and to some extent arabic, especially in palestine. Yes thats write, ashkenazi jews of palestine were arabized for centuries as well.