Why was the president of Ukraine attending D-Day events? Ukraine was a Nazi partner!

The Western Europeans made a point of inviting the new Ukraine president, the "Chocolate King", Petro Poroshenko, to attend the D-Day celebration in Normandy, France... but, WHY?

Ukraine was one of the biggest and most enthusiastic Nazi-collaborator nations of all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaborationism_with_the_Axis_powers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Ukrainian)


Oh, BTW, did some "free-Ukrainian" military force hit the beaches at Normandy? If so, I sure as hell can't find any information about them. So, why was the "chocolate king" even there?!

 

The Soviet Union also collaborated with Hitler, for much longer than Bandera did.

 

Ms. Merkel is there too. Go figure.


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The German Democratic Republic (East Germany) was just a little less evil than the Nazis.

who supported the GDR? Stalin and his Soviets.

 

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Why was the president of RuSSia attending D-Day events? RuSSia was a Nazi partner!

your RuSSki nazi patriots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army







here is the Russian flag

 

I dunno, Pollycy ....... probably the West's way of saying 'welcome to the club'!

It might be a good thing, since Porishenko and Putin did get to have a face-to-face meeting. Each was able to get a measure of each other, which would not have happened otherwise. Hopefully some good comes from it.

I gotta hand it to Putin. He walked straight into the den with no qualms. IMO, he showed the Insane Clown Posse what a STATESMAN does.

Also, props to the French for inviting Putin. I heard they had to hold 2 state dinners back-to-back to manage butt-hurt egos.

 

These materials are taken from the rear of Grand Duchi of Lithuania.

 

The Soviets & Nazis helped each other a lot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloto...erman_relations_during_the_Pact.27s_operation

"Germany and the Soviet Union entered an intricate trade pact on February 11, 1940, that was over four times larger than the one the two countries had signed in August 1939.[195] The trade pact helped Germany to surmount a British blockade of Germany.[195] In the first year, Germany received one million tons of cereals, half a million tons of wheat, 900,000 tons of oil, 100,000 tons of cotton, 500,000 tons of phosphates and considerable amounts of other vital raw materials, along with the transit of one million tons of soybeans from Manchuria.[citation needed] These and other supplies were being transported through Soviet and occupied Polish territories.[195] The Soviets were to receive a naval cruiser, the plans to the battleship Bismarck, heavy naval guns, other naval gear and thirty of Germany's latest warplanes, including the Me-109 and Me-110 fighters and Ju-88 bomber.[195] The Soviets would also receive oil and electric equipment, locomotives, turbines, generators, diesel engines, ships, machine tools and samples of Germany artillery, tanks, explosives, chemical-warfare equipment and other items.[195]

The Soviets also helped Germany to avoid British naval blockades by providing a submarine base, Basis Nord, in the northern Soviet Union near Murmansk.[185] This also provided a refueling and maintenance location, and a takeoff point for raids and attacks on shipping.[185] In addition, the Soviets provided Germany with access to the Northern Sea Route for both cargo ships and raiders (though only the commerce raider Komet used the route before the German invasion), which forced Britain to protect sea lanes in both the Atlantic and the Pacific."

 

Russians pro Nazis allways supported Arabs.. go figure..

 

As for I have seen on TV, Merkel has to have done something about. During the celebration he managed to make Ukrainian and Russian President meet together, for some minutes. A party between two old oligarchy guys ...

But now, back to D-Day and to who has participated with title or just to take part to an event [like a rock concert!].

With the already mentioned "outsiders" there was also the Italian President [I'm not aware that Italy was among the allied nations organizing the Normandy landing ... but Italy is always there in occasion of the celebration of the D-Day, like Germany ...].

I wonder why we don't invite the Emperor of Japan ...

 

whats GDL had to do with Vlasov army?

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from all what i know , it was not much party for Putin

 

It's just an act of kindness for the Ukrainian president to be invited. Ukraine are trying hard to forget their troubled past, plus they're having to deal with Putin and his band of "patriotic," neo-Nazis, so it would just be cruel to highlight Ukraine's past yet again. And it's not like Ukraine are still pro-Nazi.

 

The USSR were allied with Germany and invaded Poland in 1939. Vichy France was an ally of Germany, willingly participated in deporting Jews to death camps, and the French are still demanding reparations because the British bombed their fleet when the French were fighting for the Germans.

 

In 1939, von Ribbentrop and Molotov hastily put together an "alliance" to carve up Poland. It was inevitable that Hitler would invade Poland, if only because this involved large territories that were stolen from Germany at the end of World War I. Stalin wanted to have a relatively secure border with Germany after its invasion of Poland, and he certainly did not want to have to fight the Germans again (Russia suffered a horrible defeat at German hands in World War I).

Back on topic -- the Soviet Union was, indeed, a powerful and fully-engaged ally to the U. S., Britain, and others who conducted the Normandy invasion on D-Day. It can fairly be said that without the Soviet Union fighting the Nazis in the East, there could not have even been a successful invasion anywhere in Western Europe!

But that Ukraine would be invited to the D-Day celebrations make utterly no sense. Surely another venue would have been more appropriate for the Ukrainian
"Chocolate King's" debut, instead of turning the D-Day commemoration into some kind of "debutante's ball"....

The blunt, brutal truth is that Ukraine was a key partner with Nazi Germany, and its "Galicia Division" was one of the more prominent of all Waffen SS organizations in any country the Nazis occupied. I won't bloat this post with lots of pictures, but here are two that are interesting. The first one has now mysteriously disappeared from the "Images" site where I first found it last month (?)....

 

I might be wrong but weren't Germans invited in 2004?
http://europeanhistory.about.com/b/2004/01/03/germany-invited-to-d-day-celebrations.htm

Apparently, the German ally, France, invited the Germans for the 60th anniversary.

Written by a man who was a child in Germany when the war ended:
"I am still grateful for the aid Germany received after the war and the social and commercial development that was only possible though the very generous help of the United States and the Marshall Plan."
http://www.csmonitor.com/1994/0525/25224.html

Classier than the French.

 

GDR was much a lesser evil, of course. A police regime with communist ideology. Thus, Germans have taste of both fascism and communism, a rich practical experience in two ideologies that came out of their fatherland. This helps them to stay firmly democratic.

 

Im sure France who also collaborated with the Nazis had representatives there as well.

 

As anyone who has successfully completed a grammar school history course knows, the Soviet Union, of which Ukraine was a part, was one of the three Allied forces on D-Day. The Soviets lost as many troops fighting the Germans during World War II as the US and UK combined. So to ask why a former Soviet state would be represented in a World War II memorial ceremony is rather ignorant of history.

 

*Sigh!". If you need to refresh your knowledge base concerning the actions and behaviors of Ukrainians AFTER they lost their connection to the Soviet Union and enthusiastically joined the Nazis, then please do so on your own. We must assume that a person has at least a basic understanding of history and events of the European theater of World War II in order to have a rational discussion.

I'll give you two links, and if you want more, you'll need to browse them up yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaborationism_with_the_Axis_powers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Ukrainian)

Now, real slowly, here's the argument:
1. The Soviet Union was an ally of "the Allies" who invaded Normandy on D-Day, and fought against the Nazis on the Eastern Front.
2. Ukraine fought against the Soviet Union with its own German-allied Waffen SS military forces.
3. Therefore, Ukraine should be included in D-Day victory festivities, and given the same footing as Russia?

Seems like a rather badly flawed syllogism to me....

 

Germany is a great nation. Merkel is a great chancellor. We all should thank Germany for helping the EU so much.

No reason not to invite her. Germans are cool. God bless that great country!

 

It is the absolut wrong signal to invite the new Stalin.

Russia today is again the evil USSR as it was old days. They attacked Poland in 1939, they did attack us and have stolen our land away.

Putin has zero right to join that and he is the example for evil fascist movement in Russia. Russia is an antisemitic fascist country. Some russians are nice people. I want the state to be removed from the map, not the people. If Russia is splitting into let's say 10 independent countries, we all sleep better at night.

 

Considering that Ukraine became independent of the Soviet Union in 1990, some 45 years after the end of the Nazi empire, no amount of sighing, eye-rolling or condescension will get me to entertain this temporal impossibility.

As I mentioned before, reading non-authoritative writing on the Internet is no substitute for an actual education. I urge you to get an actual education.

You might also notice that even the Wikipedia pages that you use as citations don't support your claim! D'OH!

 

Never did hear so much BS with so little text.

The british did miss to help in Finland, they did miss to declare war to the USSR in 1939, they did miss to help Germany in reunification, they did miss to support the EU, but they never did miss to demand our money from the EU.

I personally would not miss that nation of small financial buisinessmen who produce nothing than lies and angor on the continent to be in the end the laughing one who wins.

Britain should get annexed to the USA, the poodle of the americans.

 

Good post!

 

Guys, we need to calm down. Ukraine as a Ukrainian Soviet Socialistic Republic (part of Soviet Union) played a massive role in war against Nazi Germany. But its western part called Galicia is a different story. Local nationalists collaborated with Nazi and even has own SS division.

So Ukraine has right to be on D-Day event. What is confusing is the fact that new Ukraine ideology is honors Bandera, SS Galicia and other war criminals. This is one of the reasons of unrest in east of the country. People there can't accept that.