Why should Hobby Lobby's employees have to pay for Hobby Lobby's religious values?

There were no standards enacted.

 

It does if their position or beliefs are based upon mistruths and half lies

 

The owners are always welcome to simply and merely abstain and just say "no" to using any product in our secular and temporal markets in our republic; only our federal Congress is delegated the social Power to fix Standards (for others) in our republic.

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A health care Act fixes some Standard.

 

Forcing the owner of a business to provide anything which causes them to go against the tenets of their personal religious beliefs is a violation of their right to religious freedom. A woman's desire for plan B because the condom broke does NOT supersede this right.

 

I wasn't here to see this thread any sooner, so I'll just assume people have schooled you on the Hobby Lobby case having nothing to do with birth control coverage.

 

You seem to be missing the point about the subjective value of morals; they really are Individual, not Collective.

The owners are always welcome to simply and merely abstain and just say "no" to using any product in our secular and temporal markets in our republic; only our federal Congress is delegated the social Power to fix Standards (for others) in our republic.

 

Dear, I'm not the one missing the point. You are trying to impose your particular belief structure on others by attempting to twist Congressional powers and apply them where they have no influence nor belonging. I understand that according to your limited viewpoint, BC methods which have been proven to cause abortion are an inalienable right, however your belief structure has led you astray apparently.

Seeing as how in almost every single post on this topic you regurgitate the exact same Sunday morning talking point I will consider this discussion closed. Unless you have an actual counter argument based in concrete facts rather than personal interpretation of the governments role that is.

 

The power to fix Standards for the Union is not a belief, but our supreme law of the land.

 

Misapplication of said standards IS a belief. I suggest you do a bit of research into the separation of powers within the three branches of government.

 

Hobby lobby objected to 4 of 20 forms of birth control. The other 16 are paid for by the plan.

The object to two versions of the “morning-after pill” and two kinds of intrauterine devices (IUDs). They allow for the following:male condoms; female condoms; diaphragms with spermicide; sponges with spermicide; cervical caps with spermicide; spermicide alone; birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin; birth-control pills with progestin alone; birth control pills, extended or continuous use; contraceptive patches; contraceptive rings; progestin injections; implantable rods; vasectomies; female sterilization surgeries; female sterilization implants.

 

Read the first sentence again. I agree. The government should not be allowed to force me to change my religious beliefs.

The ironic thing about the whole Hobby lobby thing is that Hobby Lobby should be a corporation that liberals should love. Their "corporate" minimum wage is above the federal minimum wage. They believe in providing healthcare for their employees, etc. They believe in giving their employees a day of rest. They treat their employees with humanity and compassion.

 

The federal mandate covered all people in the union. It declared that those specific 4 medical devices/pills would be provided under the healthcare bill, equally, to all employees, as part of any benefit packages.

This ruling creates 2 classes of employees. First are employees covered under the blanket federal mandate, regardless of belief, who are free to express their religious freedom and choose if they want or need one of those four items, and it is covered. Second are employees who must pay seperately for one or all of these four items should they so choose, because rich elitist company owners won't pony up, and are using religion as a prop to defend their ridiculousness.

That's all there is too it. Hobby Lobby isn't out giving women abortions. Hobby Lobby also is not in the damned church choir. Hobby Lobby is a legally created corporate entity, and thus, has absolutely no religious identity, regardless of what political pundits and demagogues may say.

This is restricting of federally mandated covered medical items/pills by a religious minority. Plain and simple.

I'll also add, yes, they may pay well; and thus, some of those employees may have no other employment options. I guess they're supposed to suck on the collective teat, in order for said demagogues and charlatans to justify their reckless religious oppression.

 

There is no misapplication of Standards; only a lack of a Standard would be a misapplication of Standards.

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only the wealthiest can afford to be frivolous.

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No one is claiming you cannot simply abstain and just say "no" to any product in our secular and temporal markets.

 

By that standard anyone convicted and sentenced to jail time should be immediately executed. Saves lots of money that way. You sure you want to stick by that flawed opinion of cheaper is always better?

 

Pay attention to what you said. "the company would have to agree to the provision voluntarily".

No idea where you went to school but "would have to" and "voluntarily" are unreconsiable opposites.
Amazing you could talk yourself into beleiving that made sense. Scary too.

 

How is that relevant to our diagnosis of the Body politic?

 

The left is acting as if the only difference between Hobby Lobby's healthcare plan and all of the rest of the plans in America is that Hobby Lobby doesn't want to pay for certain contraception. There are thousands and thousands of different health care options between Obama's or the Fortune 500 CEO's plans, and Walmart or McDonalds employees' plans. Someone working at McDonald's does NOT have the same options as Obama's kids. You are singling out this one difference because you don't think religion should determine what health care options are available. Well what concepts do you believe are ok to limit options? Because they are being limited, in so many ways...

 

I don't think you know much about the collective bargaining process do you? Other wise you wouldn't have made the statement you just did.

Before you criticize my English skills--prior to posting--review your spelling while your at it.

 

Our federal Congress is delegated the social Power to fix Standards for the Union.

 

And the only relevant standard here is found in the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and the 1st Amendment.

 

Refusing to pay for birth control in the name of religious value is not forcing religious value on anyone no matter how you try to twist it into that

 

No one is saying the owners can't practice abstinence and just saying "no" to any product in our secular and temporal markets, instead of making more "rules" for others with their more "gold".

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It is when the owners could just practice abstinence and just saying "no" to using those products instead of making rules to deny and disparage others from using those products.

 

Hobby Lobby is a private company.

What is your point?

 

They made no rule denying it to others they just refuse to pay for it.

Big difference. The employees of Hobby Lobby can buy all the birth control they like and Hobby Lobby does not care they just have to do with their paycheck not with the insurance provided.

 

IF that were the case why are the other 16 BC plans "A OK" in their book?

Stop trying to spin a case to meet your needs.