Ukraine Attacks Russia - Kills One Wounds Two

Somebody move this to the conspiracy forum.

 

Oh, it was Russia then who overthrew Yanukovich and installed a junta in Kiev, and here I thought it was Nuland and our five billion? Interesting!

You do know of course this is why they're rebelling? But then again maybe you don't know. Okay here's the video of Victoria Nuland talking to the American Ambassador. Now listen closely, so you can hear who she's choosing to be Ukraine's next President:

[video=youtube;KIvRljAaNgg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvRljAaNgg[/video]

 

I know that Western media has gone to great efforts to cover up the truths in regard to Ukraine to the American people, so I'm not blaming you for you're ignorance, but here's a congressman questioning Victoria Nuland about the violent coup in Ukraine, the Nazis, as well as the costs to the U.S. government.

[video=youtube;6TpZa4OMFVk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TpZa4OMFVk[/video]

 

there is no evidence the attack came from Ukainian military.

 

Ukraine is in a bad spot. The Russians would win with an invasion, and both sides know it. Ukrainians are determined fighters and they could wage gueilla warfare which would bleed Russia. Crimea is proving to be a drain on Russia now. Knowing this prudent Russians would pause before an invasion.

I hope the Ukrainian forces defeat the insurgents and are careful not to fire shells across the border. It is still possible the rebels did the dead.

 

This is a long video, but it is worth watching since these are the people who are in charge of Ukraine now. These Nazis come from the Lviv area of Ukraine which was once part of Poland, while the Russian speaking half of Ukraine was part of Russia. In other words the East and West are two different countries.

Notice how they use the derogatory name 'Moscal' for Russians, and how they say they will knife them all. What they want is for the Russian speaking half to leave Ukraine and to give them their lands because that's where the wealth is. This is why the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk declared their independence.


[video=youtube;-LKFptM7oOk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LKFptM7oOk[/video]

 

KGB is everywhere

 

this is jeannette, all her threads and posts belong in the conspiracy forum...

 

Probably you speak like that because doesn't matter for you truth or lie,myth or reality - life is good when I play in the Pokemon!?

 

it's because I've been on this forum for years and know posters are worth debating with and which ones are nutty...

 

Russia has responded by shooting down a Ukrainian plane, killing probably 20 soldiers.

 

How can people debate with me when my videos and references back what I write? Sorry if they conflict with agendas political or otherwise, and paid or otherwise. LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN IS MY MOTTO!

 

If the Ukrainian Junta are prepared to throw stones in glass houses, they can hardly expect that the Russian's would just sit back and take it on the proverbial chin. But then again, who really knows what the truth is. Maybe Putin set up a false flag. It wouldn't be the first time he has done so. Alternatively, maybe the Ukrainian Junta were really dumb enough to play games with Russia. Nobody as yet knows the truth of the situation.

 

That's exactly right. All we're seeing now is reports from one side or the other, with little to no independent verification. In the case of this plane, reports say both that 20 were killed and that the crew is safe. What to believe?

Kiev is saying it was a Russian rocket that hit the plane as it was 4 miles high and out of reach of the separatists weapons. That itself brings up a couple of questions. First, how is Kiev so sure exactly what weapons the separatists have? Secondly, why would a Ukrainian plane be doing flying that high in that region?

Everything coming from that area now has to be met with skepticism in lieu of solid verification.

 

It appears the soul of Stalin has risen from the grave, and taken over Putin.

 

The plain went down, but nobody was killed. Those will be killed later on... http://news.msn.com/world/ukraine-military-plane-shot-down-by-rocket as the fighting continues.

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Hitler lost. Stalin won and so will Putin.

 

Hey kid genus Russia has already launched an unprovoked war of aggression and conquest against the Ukraine and none of your laughable fascist propaganda will ever change that fact so I suggest you go to the echo chamber of the rt comments section because no one outside your Putin cult of personality is buying the fascist propaganda made to order from the kremlin.

 

So when did Donestk become part of Russia?

 

I have Ronstar on 'ignore' so I can't see what he's writing except when he's being quoted by someone. I did notice from your post that he said Russia shot down the plane when Kerry even begged Poroshenko to find proof that Russia is involved in the fighting so they wouldn't appear as liars to the world, which they are of course, and which was proven once again because they can't find any signs that Russia is involved.

Washington in its usual idocy, underestimates the competency and determination of the Freedom Fighters to free their lands from the Washington supported Mafioso and Gallician Nazis. By the way, they've knocked down quite a few planes, and even captured one so now they have an air force and its been reeking havoc on the Ukrainian phalanx. I hope they're hitting the National Guard Nazi contingent the way they did the last time. The Freedom Fighters also have a few hundred of them trapped in the airport at Lugansk.

 

It's a small city in Russia on the border called Donetsk which is close to the Ukrainian city with the same name.

 

Replace Russia with NATO and Ukraine with Iraq and I agree.

 

What is laughable is that the Western media keeps quoting Porostinko when he and his group do not have an ounce of credibility. He's been caught in lies from day one, I guess they feel that by quoting him they will give him credibility. Yeah right! Now he's saying that the Freedom Fighting Dombanaires do not have the equipment to knock down a plane at that height...well I have news for him, Isn't that what he thought about all the other planes that were knocked down? Someone wrote that at this rate, they won't have an air force by September. In the meantime the Freedom fighting Dombanairs have started their own airforce. They captured their first plane...and no one knows how.

Anyway I get my first hand information from the Greek site. It's funny how little is mentioned in the Western press, for example today they wrote that Nato has observed Russian troop movements at the Ukrainian border. They also said that the Ukrainian defense is so stunned with all the shocks they've been getting that they believe Russian officers are directing them...but guess what it wouldn't make much of a difference, since most of the Ukrainians hate the Lviv Nazi government so much after all the atrocities they committed in Odessa, Mariupol and Lugansk, that just about everyone is spying for Russia now. Porostinko was screaming about that once, that there are Russian spies everywhere even in Lviv.

From what I have read, the Lusansk airport right now is surrounded by the Freedom Fighting Dombanaires, and three hundred Ukrainian troops have surrendered. The Nazi continguent is still in there as well as others...maybe mercenaries or some CIA and Nato personel because they're not coming out.

 

if they are fighting for freedom, why are they committing genocide against Ukrainians in Crimea, and stopping democracy in Donbass?

 

Dombanaires? Where'd that come from? It's kinda catchy, though maybe it should be Dombassaires.

But, back to what's happening. The rebels claim to have shot down an SU-25 and a helicopter in the last couple of days with not a peep from Kiev over either instance. They seem to have 'selective outrage'. Also, no confirmation on their killing of 500 or 1000 rebels the other day, which I find completely unbelievable.

 

This is my deciphering from the Greek site: Using the MANPAD near the Izvarino village on outskirts of Lougansk the Ukrainian transport aircraft AN-26 which was carrying supplies and 20 Ukrainian Special Forces to strengthen the Ukrainian positions and operate the Interfax was hit. Eye witnesses said that three men parachuted to safety. This was confirmed by Ukrainians themselves.

The Ukrainian authorities announced earlier that they "lost contact with a military transport aircraft that was flying near the eastern Lugansk Ukraine" and said of the eight crew members at least three were killed.

There is a video showing the destruction of the Ukrainian convoy where 27 armored vehicles were destroyed in an ambush by the Freedom Fighters outside of Lugansk.

Also near the village of Krasnodona a bomber Su-25 that tried to cutoff the Freedom Fighters from the Russian border was hit and crashed.

There was a large battle for the airport of Lugansk and there were major casualties on both sides, but from what I gathered it was retaken by the Freedom Fighters.