Isis orders all women and girls in Mosul to undergo FGM (Female Genital Mutilation),

How exactly did Obama give ISIS tanks, Humvees, and helicopters?

 

I'm not sure how she's drawing that conclusion, either. However, if they take over iraq (which is certainly looking possible) they will certainly obtain those particular items. Though, this was likely an eventuality, it's unfortunate to see it happening.

 

Black magic?

 

By retreating from Iraq and creating a vacuum allowing sectarian differences and attacks to be renewed.

 

Dont play dumb with me, you already know, cause you posted all throughout the thread..

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/361251-now-we-can-see-obama-plan-al-queda-unfold.html

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Thats not the goal, and never has been.

The goal was arming the Syrian rebels, and thats exactly what happened.

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Youd think so, but no....

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/361251-now-we-can-see-obama-plan-al-queda-unfold.html

 

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who needs congressional approval, when they can just drive right into Iraq and get em...

 

If it's their tradition and it's not harming anyone then they shouldn't be interfered with on those grounds.

 

If obama really wanted to do something about Syria, he should use American troops, not bat (*)(*)(*)(*) crazy terrorists.

American troops wouldnt ever even think of mutilating the genitals of iraqi women, but such things are completely normal for islamic fanatics.

I do appreciate you for being honest and admitting ISIS is the Syrian rebels. Thats more than the other obama lovers will admit.

 

I didn't necessarily consider it from that perspective, but, it seems plausible. I think a lot of that had to do with the desire to overthrow a russian backed dictator in syria, though, rather than benefiting syrian rebels necessarily, a plan that has not worked out anyway.

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I'm not sure how reasonable it would have been to do so at the end of the day. We've spent enough in money and lives in trying to do things like this in that part of the world. I don't think we should've backed anybody in syria and should've just let it play out. Assad isn't any worse that would replace him anyway.

 

If it was actually an iraqi tradition there wouldnt be any females in mosul, who had a clitoris to mutilate. Cause they would have already done it.

So obviously, your position is completely flawed.

 

I'm not suggesting that we send in the military. However, I don't care what their "traditions" are, it's grotesque and horrific and should be called that and condemned. Behavior such as this is not tolerable by civilized people. Either way, it's not in keeping with the tradition of the women they plan to do it to, otherwise it would've already been done to them.

 

This is just part of the grand plan.

You are witnessing the setup for the Slam on Iran.

Step 1: eliminate Iranian allies.... Who are the Iranian allies? Well, If you watched the news, you know, everyone your news casters currently hate, are Iranian allies. Syria, Libya, Russia, HAMAS, Palestinians, Hizbolla etc....

 

I don't necessarily attribute the sort of effectiveness and organizational skills necessary to the people in the upper echelons of our government to pull something like this off. I would hardly call russia an iranian "ally" and all of the others are far too weak to do anything to stop it if the US wanted to exert itself against them.

 

So then you would say that Bush encouraged Obama to give these weapons to ISIS by signing the SOFA than mandated our withdrawal from Iraq, yes?

 

You guys are ignoring the part where I said that some forms of female circumcision don't cause any damage. I'm not saying that's what IS is doing since I don't know what they're doing.

 

So then you agree with all of the debunking I did in that thread and that Obama didn't give ISIS any such vehicles, yes?

 

Yes, Russia is an ally of Iran, and No, its not about what they could do to stop us.... Its what they would do in retaliation to all our friends and neighbors. If Irans allies are smoked, Russia wont step in....

 

Ally being used loosely, maybe, insofar as they sell them some things, etc. They wouldn't step in if the united states decided to conquer iran, though, which is the true mark of an ally. They are more an associate. Russia doesn't really care about them all that much, i wouldn't think.

 

I think that some sort of radical sunni (less likely shiite) group getting a strong foothold in iraq was inevitable. The US (whoever you want to blame for it, there's plenty to go around) put in a top heavy bureaucratic infrastructure there, on top of which are a bunch of the most apathetic politicians we could find to run it. Corruption there, top to bottom, down to the newest private in their army, is endemic. It won't take much more than a force with ideological determination to topple it. The public officials in iraq (including the leadership in the military) is a lot more concerned with getting their palms greased and spending time enjoying the wealth and privilege that comes with their positions than they are with facing realistic threats. Such is what happens when democracy doesn't come to a country such as iraq through natural means, but is handed to it when it is unprepared.

 

The Russians built the Iranian nuclear reactor currently being used to produce plutonium.

These tunnels were to be used to unleash an ARMY inside Israeli walls...

Could Israeli high-tech tackle Hamas’ terror tunnels?

 

Yes, I've read about the tunnels, hamas, etc. I'm not sure where that comes into play for the purposes of this conversation, though. Hamas has always attacked israel and israel has always thinned them out and then will come a period of relative inactivity while hamas reloads. Russia built the reactor because iran wanted to give them money to build one, that was unfortunate for the world, to be sure, but at the end of the day it was a monetary transaction. If russia really wanted to arm them they could've just sold them nukes straight up, or gave them to them covertly.

 

I believe Russia already gave Iran nukes, as soon as Bush named the Axis of Evil.

HAMAS and Hezbolla work for IRAN through Syria.

 

I have seen no evidence of this whatsoever from any source. It's just a simple assumption. I'd also venture to guess that if this were the case, mossad would know, and israel would've likely acted on that intelligence already. They would've also likely went public with it if they couldn't act on it. They view iran as a direct threat.

 

I disagree, I do not want our troops put in harms way if it can be helped

I have no idea if ISIS and the Syrian rebels are in anyway related other then fanatical religion....

if you list off all the different Muslims factions, I could not tell you good from bad... I just would not know

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Of course you have zero evidence to back up that belief, but that's never stopped Conservatives from believing things before.