Army of Novorossia has closed the cauldron in the area of Debaltsevo.

TheKeeper says it is NOT published in Russia and is anti-Russian.

but of course, he has no evidence.

 

I don't know where you come up with this stuff, it is published in Moscow. I said it is not published by Russians. Even the article I quoted is some British Journo- transplant in Moscow name Beadle.

How many Russians do you know named "Beadle"?

 

who publishes The Moscow Times?

 

I believe it's a company in Finland, but I'm not sure.

 

LOL did anyone notice how my indepth research exposing the "Politicalforum.com" website as being a US Government front was deleted by the moderators?

 

No.

And I doubt very much that it is so.

 

I agree to an extent. However there are some people here who clearly have an agenda. No matter what they continue peddling the U.S department official lines. They aren't interested in an honest discussion. One thing for sure, this website is monitored like many others.

 

Russia would NOT allow an anti-Russian paper to be published and sold their country.

they consider anything anti-Russian to be terrorism.

 

Could be monitored, sure. That would probably even be prudent for a large, paranoid government to do.

And yeah, some people are stubborn in their views. But you know, you'll find all sorts of agendas expressed here and elsewhere. Even the creationists have an agenda. That doesn't make them paid shills. I have my own views and have been called a Kremlin something or other for it, because I tend to take a position opposite of the other extreme around here (the one you've brought up).

None of this in any way evinces some kind of US government control or ownership of this forum, however. Some people are just paranoid - look at how many conspiracy theorists infest the Internet. There are quite a few with a range of "out there" views, including even a few moon landing hoax proclaimers and freaking flat earthers. Flat. Earthers. These people all have agendas, and another thing they have in common is an inability to figure out what constitutes evidence for a claim, and they're especially unable (or plain unwilling) to base their views on the evidence. It's sadly all too natural and common for human beings to base their thinking on ideologies and emotions, causing them to become biased.

Every time I encounter someone like this, I'm reminded of how pitifully our public schools are performing... And even many of our higher learning institutions.

 

Oh yeah, then you haven't read the Moscow Times. As one member of the Duma said, no nation in the world would allow things like this to be published in their country.

 

oh yeah?

give us an example of a very anti-Russian article they have published.

 

Now to get back to the cauldron of Debaltsevo. There are estimates of six to eight thousand soldiers trapped there. The militia have asked them to surrender, but there is still a small passage way for them to retreat and escape. According to one news source, instead of trying to escape, more men were entering the cauldron.

According to the Washingtonsblog, the ones entering the cauldron are volunteers of the special punitive units (Nazis), whose job is to watch the Ukrainian conscripts and to shoot anyone who tries to escape.

In the meantime, more and more men are refusing to be conscripted into the Ukrainian army and are disappearing. Russia has lowered its restrictions so they can escape into Russia...if they want to that is. In the meantime the Ukrainian government is grabbing whoever they can; the homeless, or anyone who needs help from the government.

Frankly I think Poroshenko, Yats and the rest of their ilk are crazy, and they get even crazier whenever someone from the US visits them. Soros had just visited, and now Kerry's coming ..which means things will get worse.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015...hod-madness-un-demand-justice-war-crimes.html

 

News of Novorussia for yesterday. Engl. subtitles in the bottom of the screen.

[video=youtube;J0mtIUxKa2c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=85114404&v=J0mtIUxKa2c&x-yt-ts=1422579428[/video]

 

For all the time of war, the Ukrainian army allegedly didn't kill no one
[video=youtube_share;P2mx7oboDCo]http://youtu.be/P2mx7oboDCo[/video]

 

Hackers posted a net files on all major personages Ukrainian junta.
(Google translator copes)

PERSON -http: //cyber-berkut.org/traitors/
Arsen Avakov B. http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0002.php
Klitschko Vitaly V. http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0003.php
Igor Kolomoisky http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0013.php
Alexander Kuzmuk http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0023.php
Lyashko Oleg V. http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0004.php
Valentin Nalyvaychenko http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0005.php

.....

Paruby Andrey http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0006.php
Peter A. Poroshenko http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0007.php
Sergey Taruta http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0014.php
Yulia Tymoshenko http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0001.php
Turchinov Alexander V. http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0008.php
Tyagnibok Oleg Yaroslavovich http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0009.php
Yarosh Dmitry Anatolyevich http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0010.php
Yatsenyuk Arseny Petrovich http://cyber-berkut.org/traitors/0011.php

Read and concludes who "guide" Ukraine

 

What I find interesting is that you seem obsessed with accusing others of being plants here but yet you are the one with a completely illogical, proven false agenda. Why would someone spend 20 hours a day defending points that continuously are proven wrong and have even been admitted are wrong by the people you defend? I think your cover has been blown. Maybe you can get a new screen name and when your talking points are proven wrong you can let them drop instead of continuing to expose yourself so obviously. Start fresh in other words.

 

This is a good documentary post for Ronstar to learn something.

 

"Truth about situation in Ukraine
6 hrs ·

Opinion of a dweller of Mariupol
Lyudmila Surikova:
“My acquaintances and friends often ask me: “What is going on in Mariupol? Who is shelling peaceful cities and killing ordinary civilians? Who downed MH17, who blew up the bus in Volnovakha and bombed residential area Vostochnyi?” They expect me to answer that it was done by People’s Militias or by Ukrainian Army... Nevertheless I surprise and disappoint them with my reply... Ukraine has no authority in Mariupol. “Azov” battalion is the authority in the city. Ukrainians as well as militiamen have nothing to do with the downed Boeing, as well as with the blown up bus and the shelling of Mariupol... All of the above mentioned are the deeds of international brigades of NATO’s foreign legion under the scandalous name of “Azov” according to true words of the Russian President. Such battalions are also called territorial battalions... There are many of them. “Azov” is not the only one. There is also “Aidar”, “Donbas” and others... In reality they are not Ukrainian Nationalists; they are typical Western international mercenaries, hired in various countries by Mr. Kolomoyskiy for American money and on order of the USA. In fact it is NATO’s foreign legion, as Putin said, only masked as local Nationalists... They do not fight for any idea, they earn money. It makes no difference to them who they are killing or blowing up. They are only paid for combat activities, and that is why they need to constantly murder someone, in order to report about the work done and receive their salary... And the goal set before them is simple: exterminate as many as possible pro-Russian local inhabitants, undermine the infrastructure of the industrial region and discredit Russia in the eyes of the world, if possible, even get it directly involved into a World War... They are not subordinated to Kiev or the Headquarters of Ukrainian Army. They have a different task... Their command is directly instructed from Washington or Ukrainian Security Service, which has been a CIA department for some time now. They are instructed and trained by counselors from the task forces of NATO and Israel. It is them who are shelling peaceful cities, blowing up buses, murdering civilians and kidnapping people. It is them who shoot in both directions: on Ukrainian military and militiamen, when ceasefires are declared, in order to receive their blood money... It is them who shoot in the back of Ukrainian soldiers, when the latter do not want to fight, torture and kill captured militiamen... They are called “the Third Force” here in Donbass, and they are never taken prisoners..."

 

Kerry is planning a trip to meet Putin and discuss some important issues. One of them is to ask Putin to stop supporting Donbas rebels. He would better stay home with this. He also wants some cooperation with Russia against Islamists. Perhaps, the first issue will negate all the rest he wanted to discuss with Putin.

He wants Russia to leave Novorussia at the mercy of foreign mercenaries.

 

Russia cant afford to allow Ukraine to remain in the hands of NATO. They need the buffer zone that it provides them.

 

What I find laughable, is that according to some news reports, Reuters said that there is no certainty that the Ukrainian army was shelling Donetsk...if you can believe it? In other words the people of Dombas are killing and ethnically cleansing their own citizens, that way they can leave Dombas and go to Russia. But then again, I guess they feel that the American public are so ignorant of what is going on, that they will believe anything.

As for Kerry meeting Putin, it might have to do with the situation in Kiev which appears to be desperate. Seems like there may be an overthrow of Poroshenko by the nationalists. This discussion is going to be an interesting one since on one side there will be the compulsive liar and sociopath trying to come to an agreement with Putin...maybe even trying to bribe him by removing sanctions and/or accepting the annexation of Crimea. Let's see what happens because there has been an easing up on certain things, like accepting credit cards and bank transfers in Crimea.

 

Thank you for the excellent post. I didn't know that Kolomoisky's and the Minister of the Interior Averof's armes weren't nationalists. I thought he had found them cheaper than mercenaries.

 

Yea I didnt know to what extent they were foreign forces either till they started firing on the Ukrainian Military also yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hi-3NkStqs

 

At the time this thread was started, the pocket around Debaltsevo had not yet been closed, as shown in Colonel Cassad's daily situation reports.

It seems that the pocket is now sealed with thousands of Ukrainian troops inside.

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http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/02/02/3024

There seems to be a number of sources (from both sides) now confirming what everyone long suspected: that it was just a matter of time before the NAF closed the Debaltsevo Cauldron. An LPR commander claims:

The militia has fully encircled Debaltsevo. Road to Artemovsk is under Novorossia control. It is impossible to travel on it, we are about to put up roadblocks. Ukrainian forces will attempt to break out, but they have relatively few forces left, they have problems with ammunition and food. The annihilation of the Debaltsevo pocket will occur in the near future.

Compare this report to an urgent plea from Rada Deputy Taras Pastukh, who is currently participating in the fighting at Debaltsevo:

“Greetings from the still-Ukrainian Debaltsevo. We just repelled an attack on our base camp. Earlier it could barely be reached by artillery, but today enemy infantry had arrived. The National Guard had left the city, thus leaving us open to attack. All blocking positions report constant shelling and tank attacks. We never received any reinforcement. It went to the CTO zone, but never went where it was needed.”

“We are being abandoned here, while at the same time others are simply running away,” he added.

He also asked the country’s leaders for support.

“I ask for your help. Tell everyone you can about the critical situation here. Maybe someone got the idea I was excessively panicked, because the President had said that he had everything under control. Unfortunately, I was only wrong about the time, because I could not believe they would come at us with such force, while we continued to hope to abide by the Minsk Agreement and discuss whether a martial law is needed,” noted the deputy.

In his words, “this is genuine betrayal of the country by the entire military command, including our so-called ‘president’.”

TASS is also reporting that Ukrainian troops in Debaltsevo are now completely cut off from reinforcements. Even The Los Angeles Times is relaying rebel claims that 8,000-10,000 Ukrainian troops are now trapped and can't escape without surrendering.