What is it about pregnancy you find so objectionable?

I have been following the conversation and as usual it is a hotch-potch of your usual irrelevance and flights of fantasy.

Then you are 100% ignorant of how consent works, anybody doing something that effects you without your consent is illegal.

rubbish, look up informed consent - which is what deals with any medical procedure from taking a blood pressure reading to major surgery - a doctor or any other medical personal can only perform the procedure they have consent to perform EXCEPT when the patient is unable to consent.

A father cannot give consent to a procedure on another person, unless that person is deemed unable to give consent.

 

Wrong yet again.

Fetus - noun - An unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular, an unborn human more than eight weeks after conception. - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fetus

no where have I EVER said that a fetus is not human, as I said before you are trying to interchange the human adjective with the human noun a common pro-life ploy.

It proves you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

There is no mother in a pregnancy, unless she has other born children.

mother - A woman in relation to a child or children to whom she has given birth: - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/mother

Why do pro-lifers have to try and change the English language in order to defend there erroneous views.

I suggest you actually learn your own consent and self-defence laws before making such an inane comment.

 

The comparison between abortion and slavery was and is a 100% failure, and no you do not have any right to force your morality onto another person, the only hypocrite here is you - you talk about slavery and you are the one advocating the slavery of women to adhere to your wants enforced by the state.

 

Wrong it is 100% her business and hers alone

What a load of BS, if as you seem to think the fetus is "completely defenseless[sic]" the woman would not remain pregnant for very long as her immune system would attack and kill it as a foreign object, your ignorance of biology is astounding.

 

On the contrary, it is you who is wrong... as always.

Referring to the fetal stage of life, one of many in the lifespan of certain organism, humans among them.

Brrrrzzzzzttt.

You just lied, because you're using your extremely common proponent of abortion ploy, garbage semantics about adjective / noun that are actually entirely meaningless aside from one thing - it is how you convey that those human beings in the fetal stage of life are not humans, a ridiculous, objectively false claim.

And it is one you just made, while pretending you never do so. The mental gymnastics you go through to tell such a lie must be amazing.

I wasn't sure if I should put this in quotes because I couldn't remember if I wrote it, directing at you. I could have and it would have been entirely accurate and appropriate.

Objectively and scientifically false. Just glaringly ignorant of fact.

Every living organism has parent organisms. If you have created offspring, you are a biological parent.

 

No, not 100%. The comparison only partially works. Abortion is far worse than slavery; a slave can escape, abortion victims are just dead.

 

A slave could escape but if caught could be killed. You really think a lifetime of slavery was better than never being born? I bet slaves would disagree. Sounds like you don't think slavery was bad.

The only similarity between slavery and abortion is Anti-Choicers want to enslave women and FORCE them to breed just like slaves were FORCED.

 

Derp.

Do I think abortion is bad? Because I just said they were nearly 1:1 aside from the fact that victims of slavery get to live their lives and can potentially escape, whereas homicide victims are just dead.

Gee, yes, I do think I may have conveyed a slight disdain for the practice of killing innocent human beings. Oh, okay then, I guess I just said slavery is pretty damn bad.

 

The only similarity between slavery and abortion is Anti-Choicers want to enslave women and FORCE them to breed just like slaves were FORCED

 

Proponents of slavery support removing personhood from some human beings for the purposes of reducing them to property to be killed on a whim.
Proponents of abortion support removing personhood from some human beings for the purposes of reducing them to property to be killed on a whim.

Yeah, nothing similar there.

One group hates black folks, the other group hates the unborn - that's the difference. Of course, the latter group clearly hates the unborn far more than the former group hates black folks.

 

There is no "personhood" to remove from a fetus , it never had any...it was never a person and won't be until it's born.


Do you deny this statement : ""The only similarity between slavery and abortion is Anti-Choicers want to enslave women and FORCE them to breed just like slaves were FORCED ""

you seem unable to address it.

 

And there never was "personhood" in a slave either, until emancipation.

Did you say it? I'm pretty sure it's wrong, then.

Parenthood is not slavery - your comparison is stupid. No one is forcing anyone to breed - again, your comparison is stupid.

 

Slaves were born with personhood, it was ignored by slave owners. One has to be born to have personhood.

Parenthood is not slavery...but being FORCED to give birth, as slaves were, IS slavery ....and that is why Anti-Choicers have similarities with slavers...



...and, yes, I believe you do dismiss everything that inconveniently doesn't fit in with your silly ideas and weak arguments.

 

Lie. Slaves were not persons. They were slaves.

 

You believe slaves weren't "persons" but a fetus is!?

 

Ugh.

You are either trolling or just not able or willing to read and comprehend.

If a human is a legally owned slave, they are NOT a person. They should be made legal persons, because they are human beings, but they are not. That's why slavery is wrong and should be outlawed.

Is a human is legally allowed to be killed in aggression, they are NOT a person. They should be made legal persons, because they are human beings, but they are not. That's why abortion is wrong and should be outlawed.

 

Slavery does NOT take away personhood, that is WHY slavery is outlawed, you can't take away their personhood by enslaving them.....the people enslaved were persons the second they were BORN and that cannot be taken away.

You: """Is a human is legally allowed to be killed in aggression, they are NOT a person."""


People killed in wars ARE persons.

Executed criminals are persons.

 

You are welcome to your opinion but the question is whether or not you can support that opinion.

It is fallacy to claim "They are human beings"... because you have given no proof that this claim is true.

A "human-being" is a living human/ Homo sapiens. Where is your proof that a single human cell at conception is a living human ?

Since you have not shown that the your claim (zygote is a living human) is true. There is no reason that anything should be done on the basis of this claim.

 

The definition of fetus proves you are wrong, it is not referring" to the fetal stage of life, one of many in the lifespan of an organism." as you so erroneously assert, Fetus is a noun .. you do know what a noun is don't you?

your English teacher would be ashamed of your extreme ignorance, fetus does not refer to the fetal stage of life, it is the name of the entity during a specific period during a pregnancy, just as embryo and zygote are the names of the entity at other stages during pregnancy.

I find it incredible that you cannot even read a dictionary or know the difference between an adjective and a noun.

This just confirms that you grasp of the English language is rudimentary at best.

A fetus is human (adjective), it is not a human (noun) being .. if you cannot tell the difference then I suggest you invest in some English comprehension classes.

There is no lie in my comments, that is just your way of trying to cover your ignorance.

Based on your comments so far my comment is 100% correct about you.

Pure 100% BS on your part, the medical and scientific definition of mother in relation to this debate is "A woman in relation to a child or children to whom she has given birth:" the fact that you have to try and change not only the definition of mother but also cannot tell the difference between the human adjective and the human noun renders anything you have to say completely irrelevant.

 

It is a stupid as the attempted comparison between abortion and the Nazi's, both are in the realms of the desperate who have no real relevance to the actual issues.

 

Another history failure on your part, slaves were in fact 3/5ths a person. Emancipation did not take place until 1863, slaves were deemed as 3/5ths a person prior to that.

Oh here we go the old debunked adage of consent to sex= consent to pregnancy. Sadly for you the two are different.

Parenthood is the state of being a parent, a parent is a person who has a child, a child is a person between infancy and youth .. no mention of the unborn.

To breed is to produce offspring by sexual reproduction, an offspring is a child, a child is a person between infancy and youth .. no mention of the unborn

A 100% failure on ALL levels for you.

I know pro-lifers like to try and change the English language to suit their agenda, thankfully it is an easy lie to see.

 

The people who want women to carry to term are the same as those who want to deny her paid maternity leave. I swear to god, conservatives just have to be opposed to everything.

 

That's the only plan they have ....

 

Very true/very sad. They just don't seem to be able to pull themselves out of the muck.

 

I'm pretty sure that slavery is outlawed. At least here in the States.