All Christians are against gay rights and gay marriage

Try to prove that Christian divorce rates are equal to non Christian rates.

 

no, I am not being ridiculous.

Consider this:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/uncucumbered/oklahoma_bill_would_require_all_marriage_licenses_to_be_issued_by_religious_clergy

Basically, many religious people out here believe that marriage should only be religious, and considering the hatred Christians have for atheists, why would they allow atheists to be married?

This is pretty much the same thing that homosexuals face, that some churches would marry me, but most wouldn't.

Atheists are hated far more than homosexuals are by religious people.

 

so, you're down with hanging Christians because of their faith...............real sweet

 

Wait, where are you being stopped from having a non gay parade?

 

Full Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

If your disapproval isn't obstinate or intolerant, then no.

 

when you can't debate. call everyone a name and think you won the debate

 

What do you mean whether I forgive you or not? What did that have to do with anything I said?

I never said you're condemning gay marriage as a christian, but you keep bringing christian things up, so other readers don't get confused, I will counter with adulterers. As I see, per biblical teachings, adultery to be much greater issue to society than a palty 3% or less who want marriage of the same sex.

If you want to keep the discussion purely economical. Fine, I'll do that. May not respond because I'm not concerned about the economics of SSM.

 

But it doesn't affect you. Not even by $0.50. You are pretending to rationalize hatred.

 

Why? Can you prove they're different?

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You seem to be getting delusional.
What name did I call? Please reread the entire post. Without your emotions.

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Everyone is allowed to pretend.
Of course others are allowed to call out the pretending.

 

Doesn't work this way. All group plans are rated based on the company applications and claims history, not your perceived "potential risk". sedual orientation isn't a rating factor, or even a question on any insurance application.

Your rates are completely unaffected by same sex marriage. This was explained to you the first time you tried this.

 

I brought up both because the thread is about it, and Daniel Light and I were discussing how you can be a Christian and not have an issue with gay marriage. You were the one that jumped in thinking Christians hate gays. divorce is a big issue.... big enough, even in the Biblical sense, that I needed to ask forgiveness for it and still try and teach my kids that it was not the right thing to do

From a Christian standpoint, I won't object to any of the gay agenda with the exception of trying to indoctrinate my children in a state institution I'm compelled to send them. I don't ever have to say gay isn't wrong (biblically speaking) no more than I have to say adultery isn't wrong (despite being divorced)

Even though I committed a sin, does not disqualify me from teaching that it is a sin to my child....

you seem to think, because I committed sin a, I'm not allowed to say to my child that sin b is wrong

 

He's quite demonstrably incorrect.

 

unsupported claims is not "proving" anything. It's just what you think happens. Just because people don't ask "are you gay" on insurance, doesn't mean they don't hold that higher risk associated with being gay. The risk for HIV is greater in gay men, whether you ask them or not.

Risk = cost

cost is passed down to policy holders.


group plans are negotiated with those factors worked in.

When gay spouses flood the market, the risk goes up and is eventually passed down to everyone, gays included.

 

Stop the trolling with these absolutes.

 

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Well considering that several Christian denominations marry gay couples, I presume those denominations support gay rights/marriage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominational_positions_on_homosexuality

 

Then what's all the fuss about?

 

Some people aren't conforming to the larger groups demands.

And that the larger group doesn't like the fact some people are just different than them.

That's what this hullabaloo all amounts to.

THEY AREN'T LIKE ME SO I AM SCARED AND MUST FORCE THEM TO BE LIKE MEEEEE!

Crap.

 

Legal equality.

 

And because they don't ask applicants if they're gay, it's not a rating factor. Your insurance is unaffected by same sex marriage.

They aren't a higher risk just because they're allowed to marry. It has no effect on your rates.

Because of claims history for the company(your place of employment)not individual policy holders nationwide.

Group plan rates are based on the company, not nationwide policy holders.

Numerous reasons this is false. The number of gay spouses is statistically irrelevant to be of any effect. You assume those gay spouses weren't already being insured and are now obtaining insurance for the first time negatively affecting the market. And you don't understand that your group rates are rates based on your employers claims history and applications of the employees, not nationwide policy holders.

You are completely unaffected by same sex marriage.

 

ABSOLUTELY NOT! Many Christians are following the teaching of Christ, which talks about love and acceptance, rather than repudiation and hate! Many Christians are supporting gay rights as human rights.

I am a Christians (raised for 12 years in Catholic schools, married in the Catholic Church, raised my children in the Catholic Church, and LOVING this new pope for his openness and commons sense.

And I am 100% in favor of gay rights. . . and so are all my adult children (none of them are gay, one is celebrating his 20th anniversary). Gay rights have NOTHING to do with Christianity. . .and Christians who are denying gay rights as human rights are closer to extreme Muslims than they are from Christ!

 

Don't call someone " chump" just because their views differ from yours! Chump huh? maybe someone else needs to look in the mirror!

 

Ah yes, the Scandinavian countries with their almost all white population. I can imagine why that would be so attractive.

 

Simply put, if you feel strongly enough to promote laws against gays... then there is probably some irrational animus wrapped inside of you.

 

Plenty of gay people are Christian or religious. I've seen gay rights advocates go after bigots, but not exclusively 'religion' per se.