180 Movie: From Pro-Choice to Pro-Life in seconds!

It's called infanticide when the group being targeted is infants.

I'm sure that Nazi's flatly forbidding abortion except in the case of Jews did nothing to stop abortions because we are told by the pro-choice movement that if you make abortion illegal it will only force women to get more dangerous back alley abortions.

So they really didn't force women to give birth.

And so, happy ending. Hitler was dead in 1945, did Germany go back to the good old days of being liberal on the abortion question?

 

Nope, it's called you can't accept scientific facts and failed threads

 

No, it's called infanticide when an infant in murdered. It would be called genocide if some group made an attempt to destroy ALL infants, thereby eliminating infants as a group.

Right, they forced them to give birth or undergo an expensive and dangerous illegal abortion.

Are you, perhaps implying that it's OK to pass an unjust law, an ineffective law, because people always can choose to disobey the law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Germany

After 1945[edit]
After World War II, abortion remained broadly illegal throughout both Germanys: West Germany retained the legal situation of 1927, while East Germany passed a slightly more encompassing set of exceptions in 1950. The legal requirements in the West were extremely strict, and often led women to seek abortions elsewhere, particularly in the Netherlands.

 

Here is something the baby killers don't like to admit is true...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gON-8PP6zgQ

 

Your inference does not constitute an admission of anything from me. The left is always trying to twist what the dissenter said into something they HOPED to hear. Didn't work this time, won't work the next time. But thanks for playing, and please choose one of these prizes for playing. Everyone who spent their quarter to play is a winner.

 

Well, I'm not going to watch it because I'm not in favor of killing babies and don't know anyone who is....

 

That's all ya got......... so disappointing, maybe someone else can do better. You have fun now.

 

If you live long enough and are closed minded enough, you'll be disappointed a lot. Expand your mind and you'll be amazed at what you can learn. FWIW, I'm having lots of fun, mostly at the expense of the frazzled nerves and closed minds of liberals.

 

Honestly, it wasn't as convincing as the title suggests, but I'm not surprised given Ray Comforts previous attempts at logic.

[video=youtube;BXLqDGL1FSg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXLqDGL1FSg[/video]

 

That was a good video. Very logical.

 

I suppose you speak from personal experience.............

 

Ray falsely equates abortion with the Holocaust and uses this and other emotionally charged language (e.g. "Is it life in the womb?"; "Is it a baby in the womb?"; "Do you value human life?"; "It is okay to kill a baby in the womb when...?") to manipulate a few people into his simplistic, absolutist, emotionally driven view of abortion. It's good that he's out getting some people to think about it, but you know Ray isn't thinking about it in his turn... And I'll bet he left quite a few good, thoughtful pro-choice responses on the cutting room floor when he edited this video.

 

I see no reason to say it is a false equivalency. The Holocaust killed millions as has abortion.

What is wrong with any of those questions?

What thoughtful pro-choice responses do you think he could have gotten?

 

I wonder if by re-posting this you are violating Federal Copyright law .. do you have permission to reproduce it?

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So often debunked that it has become tiresome to see it again.

 

Let me know when all the wars, executions and self-defence killings have stopped, apart from that your bible condones the murder of innocents on more than one occasion .. totally hypocrisy.

 

When it is dealing with those who actually died or in history lessons. Another point that pro-lifers like to gloss over when using this false comparison is the fact that The Holocaust was a genocide. In these days, the Holocaust is less objected to for its large body count than for the fact that it was a genocide, or, as the United Nations says, an explicit attempt to destroy a nation, ethnicity, or race, or practitioners of a religion. Not only do fetuses not form any such group, but they are not even being targeted on the basis of being fetuses.

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Abstract

This article reviews and summarizes widely scattered evidence on abortion and eugenics in Nazi Germany. Following an overview of abortion legislation from the beginnings of the German Reich through the Weimar Republic and a brief perspective on the birth control movement, sex education, and contraception, consideration is given to the influence of demographic trends and notions of eugenics and racial hygiene in evolving population policy. The Nazi years are then discussed in terms of abortion and birth control policies and practice in the period 1933-39 and in the war years 1939-45. The former period was characterized by the suppression of the birth control movement, increasing restrictions on grounds for legal abortion, and severe penalization of performers of illegal abortions. During the war, racial grounds were virtually the only basis for legal abortion, numbers of illegal abortions rose abruptly, and penalties were severe. Experiences in neighboring occupied countries mirrored, with some variation, the German policies and practices.
- http://www.jstor.org/stable/1972501?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

The Nazis certainly were not "pro-Choice", but they were not "anti-abortion" either. The Nazis believed that a woman's body beloned to the State, and the State would decide what to do with it. The Nazis did not allow abortion for healthy "Aryan" German women, but demanded and forced abortion upon women deemed "unAryan" (i.e. Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, etc.) and "Aryan" German women who were thought to be feeble-minded, or have hereditary diseases. (Abortion in the New Europe, p.114)


Hitler himself is quoted as saying - "They may use contraceptives or practice abortion--the more the better. In view of the large families of the native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. Active trade in contraceptives ought to be actually encouraged in the Eastern territories, as we could not possibly have the slightest interest in increasing the non-Germanic population." (Harvest of Hate, 1954, pp. 273-4

so it is plain yp see that Nazi Germany was very much pro-life for Aryan woman and very much pro-abortion for non-Aryan women .. nothing about choice at all.

 

Please do study some basic neurology research, perhaps you will learn that it is a physical impossibility for a fetus before 24 weeks to feel pain, add to that the psychological impossibility and you really have nothing to back up your claims.

Pain is more than just a physical reaction.

The pro-life comparison to Nazi Germany is far closer than the pro-choice to Nazi Germany one .. but in reality neither are a true reflection about Nazi Germany and abortion, hence why neither side of the debate should be using it as an argument in favour or against each other.

It's sad to see.

 

Except for the fact that it has been thoroughly debunked and shown to be a pack of lies by medical experts who are not pro-choice or pro-life . .but please do keep on posting the pro-life sound bites, it only displays further the depths they will plunge to .. just as this whole thread has.

 

It is a shame that a great many of those people who think life in the womb is sacred could care less about the welfare of children when they are out of the womb. They just love other people's children until they need diapers and food and healthcare and a safe a decent place to live and to be able to grow up and have a job and a safe and decent place to live. A great many of your sacred babies in the womb become insta-thugs in the "pro-life" minds the second they take their first breath. Save the sacrilegious and the sanctimony. If you care about children, you will not support the GOP. If you oppose abortion, then you should be willing to fund birth control.

 

I don't know who you are talking about but you surely aren't talking to me. I have raised one child of my own and 4 adopted children.

 

Which has nothing to do with whether you support birth control or not. Whether you support workers being able to support themselves with a wage reflective of their cost of living or not. Whether you support expanded access to healthcare, including birth control or not. Whether you support welfare and food stamps or not. Whether you support cleaning up the environment and preventing further pollution of the world in which those children live or not. If you do not support programs and policies to help all people to the best of our collective capabilities, then you do not care about those collective children whether they are aborted or not.

 

I am forced to support those things with my tax dollars. The left is all about "choice" but the taxpayers choosing what programs to support is not among them.

I do support birth control. People should use birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies. They should pay for it themselves.

I do support workers being able to support themselves with a wage reflective of their cost of living. Unfortunately, the democrats do everything they can to prevent that with intrusive regulations on businesses, high taxes, and importation of slave laborers from 3rd world countries which serves to suppress the wages of the poor and the middle class.

I support the expanded access to healthcare, including birth control. Once again government regulations put too much restrictions on hospitals, insurers, and businesses which increase the cost of healthcare which puts healthcare out of reach for many lower income people. I don't know how birth control can be easier to obtain. Condoms are sold at pharmacies and convenience stores.

I do support welfare and food stamps. These programs should be strictly administered by the states and temporary.

I live here so of course I support cleaning up the environment and preventing further pollution of the world. My children live here as well. It amazes me why liberals think they have a monopoly on environmental issues. I have to breath the air and drink the water too.

I do support programs and policies to help all people to the best of our collective capabilities. Why you make so many assumptions as to what I support I don't know. Don't pretend to speak for me, you don't.

 

why do some believe their God creates natural abortions, is it out of love?

if all abortion fetuses get a free pass to heaven, why would Christians object to this... unless they believe their God sends them to hell?

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I saw this film several years ago. This is powerful….. and the comparison seems valid to me!

 

Strangely enough&#8230;&#8230;.. you are perhaps quite close to making an important point here.

Near death experiencer Colton Burpo stated that his older sister who had died as a miscarried foetus&#8230;. .was in heaven&#8230;&#8230;.. and his parents had never told him that he had an older sister who was in heaven&#8230;&#8230; probably because they didn't know themselves until their child told them about his NDE.