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Then you didn't bother reading the posts that dispute it.

That's convenient.

 

Most pro-choicers have children, yet you accuse us of hating them/being pro-death.....

 

.....said the supporter of forcing women to gestate and give birth like broodmares for the barren.

 

I only say that when they express disdain for children by calling them unwanted. I only say pro-death when they say anti-choice.

 

You say it, that is the point. If you didn't believe it, you wouldn't say it.

No prochoicer here has expressed disdain for children. Quit yer lyin'.

 

In my opinion, when they say children are unwanted, they are expressing disdain for children. I won't call you a liar if you disagree. That would be an ad hominem attack like your's.

 

I haven't watched and won't watch. All I needed was to see a 12 week sonogram to decide I was not "pro choice", and a mother die in childbirth leaving behind her other children to know I was not "pro life".

 

I don't see how anyone could really love their children unconditionally when they picked and chose which ones would live.

Of course, in most situations it's probably not actually about the children, it's all about the woman and her desires to start a family.

Why do people get sick and die? Why do bad things happen?
So you think if God allows these things to naturally happen it's okay if we do them to each other?
God allows some women to become barren and sterile. I presume then that you wouldn't have a problem if we sterilized women on their third abortion?

But if you don't believe in heaven, that makes abortion all the more terrible, doesn't it?

 

depends when you believe life starts....

do you believe good sends natural or dr assisted aborted fetuses to hell or do you believe they get a free pass to heaven?

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There were 1.06 million abortions performed in 2011.

Our economy is more like Rome or Nazi Germany…… than we would care to imagine.

Young women feel that their situation is somewhat like Masada……. suicide or economic slavery for themselves and their children.

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It may be logically consistent, but the argument relies on a false premise. Modern bananas are the result of extensive selective breeding. It would be like holding up a bloodhound's keen sense of smell or a sheep dog's ability to control a flock as evidence of god's genius.

If anything, bananas are a testament to mankind's ingenuity and ability to transcend "natural" limitations.

 

God invented selective breeding.

 

No, I believe God sends abortion doctors to back down to earth to repeatedly relive out all the horrors they committed against the unborn from the other side of the table.
That's the only way I could imagine it happens.

 

Why would you think it's alright for someone to kill an infant, born or unborn? Your statements are pretty twisted even for you.

The majority of abortion are because of people not taking responsibility for their actions and ending up pregnant. Poor girls are just as educated in their lousy inner-city schools on how to prevent pregnancy as are girls in all other schools. Boys the same way. Abortions through Planned Parenthood just make it convenient for girls to not practice safe sex and not worry about the consequences. They have devalued life to the point of a "procedure" to correct the "problem." Now, before you go off on rape and incest, those situation represent 1% or less of the annual abortions in this country, which means 99% of abortions are because the females don't want the babies they have created.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/13/us/rape-and-incest-just-1-of-all-abortions.html

 

dodn't they say that God killed the first born of many... born or unborn.. why would a God do such a evil thing?

until a fetus becomes alive, it's not a person... .IE has a conscious, is not brain dead

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now you are using your head, good job, so let me ask, then why are you against it

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I disagree.

But yes, the word "infant" is commonly taken to specifically refer to babies outside of the womb.

There are many Crisis Pregnancy Centers run by pro-life groups that offer free assistance and birth control advice.
But pro-choicers don't like these outreach providers. I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because they don't offer abortion.

So I suppose the fetus just appeared out of nowhere.
How common do you think Parthenogenesis in humans is??

No she doesn't.

Life isn't just something you can be an Indian giver about.

I don't devalue her life. In fact, recognizing the inherent dignity and worth of every human life ultimately affirms the dignity and worth of her life too.
Just as it is not ok to violate a woman's virtue and take something from her which is not yours to take, neither is it ok to commit a violation against the life growing within a woman, to take a life which you have no right to take.

 

The main objection to CPCs is that they LIE to women. Their free "assistance" is usually limited to a few free diapers, and their advice on birth control is to tell young women not to use it, but to be abstinent. The objective of CPCs is to prevent abortions, and they will stop at nothing to achieve that objective. The real disgrace about CPCs is that they frequently receive taxpayer money to disseminate their lies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_pregnancy_center


False medical information[edit]
Journalists, medical researchers, congressional investigators, prospective CPC clients, and pro-choice advocates have routinely found that CPCs disseminate false medical information.[11][34] In a few cases, such information may be based on decades-old studies that have been discredited by more recent research.[12] In others, CPCs claim an existing scientific consensus in favor of such information.[1] The information is usually about the supposed health risks of abortion; centers fail to mention that abortion is 11 to 12 times safer than childbirth.[12][31] Some centers even say that "terminating a pregnancy is far more dangerous than carrying a baby to term", although the opposite is the case.[10]

One common piece of medical misinformation is the assertion of a link between abortion and breast cancer.[1][4][10][11][12][23][31][40][41][42][43][44][45] One crisis pregnancy center counselor is reported to have told a client that "50 percent of women who have an abortion get breast cancer and 30 percent die within a year of the procedure";[43] others have claimed a 50% increase,[1]:8 an 80% increase,[1]:8[10][42] a doubled increase,[1]:8[44] a quadrupled increase,[46] or said that a client with breast cancer in her family would certainly get cancer and die if she had an abortion.[42] Major medical bodies (including the National Cancer Institute[47]) say that there is no link between abortion and breast cancer.[12][23][40][41][42]

Another is the assertion of a link between abortion and mental health problems. CPC counselors are reported to have conveyed various supposed psychological consequences of abortion, including high rates of depression, "post-abortion syndrome", post-traumatic stress disorder, suicide, substance abuse, sexual and relationship dysfunction, propensity to child abuse, and other emotional problems.[1][5][10][12][23][41][42][45][46][48][49][50] Figures included a 50% chance of long-term emotional problems[41] or trauma,[1] nine in ten women suffering "post-abortion syndrome",[1] and a sevenfold increase in the suicide rate;[1] one center said that anyone who had had an abortion was certain to experience mental health problems like those suffered by Vietnam veterans,[1] while several claimed that abortion left women more likely to abuse their children.[46][51] Neither the American Psychiatric Association nor the American Psychological Association recognizes the existence of "post-abortion syndrome", and an American Psychological Association review of relevant studies found that "abortion is usually psychologically benign."[1][23][41][42] The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists finds no evidence to support an increased likelihood of abuse.[51]

CPCs may also claim that surgical abortion is a dangerous procedure, with a high risk of perforation or infection.[5][12][41][42][44][46][48][50] One CPC counselor is reported to have told an undercover investigator that a patient was left needing a colostomy bag after her bowel was perforated;[46] several reports mention that a CPC described or depicted a woman dying as a result of the procedure.[42][44][52] However, fewer than 0.3% of women who have abortions experience complications that necessitate hospitalization.[41]

The alleged risk of perforation and infection is also part of the assertion that abortion negatively impacts future childbearing, by increasing the risk of infertility, miscarriages, complications, ectopic pregnancy, or fetal health problems.[1][10][12][41][42][45][46][48][49][50][51] One center claimed that there was a one in four chance of not being able to carry another pregnancy.[50] These claims are not supported by medical data.[1][41][50][51]

Besides false information about health risks of abortion, CPCs have also been found to disseminate misinformation about birth control methods, in particular the idea that contraception and condoms do not work or have harmful effects.[12][22][23][41][42][46][52] Some counselors said that "all condoms are defective and have slots and holes in them"[12] or that they fail "something like 40 percent of the time."[23] Other centers said that condoms were permeable to HIV or other diseases,[22] or that hormonal contraceptives had abortifacient effects and did long-term harm to women's health, such as causing infertility,[41][42] while one said that condoms caused cancer.[46](registration required) Some CPCs refuse to counsel on birth control.[39]

Other false information may concern the methodology of pregnancy tests,[52] the advisability of STI testing on pregnant women,[42] the comparative risk, availability, and advisability of abortion at different stages of pregnancy,[44][46][50][53] descriptions of female anatomy,[50] the rate of postpartum depression among women who carry to term,[1] the progression of fetal development,[44][46] fetal pain,[44] the possibility of getting pregnant from rape,[46] the progression of pregnancy,[22][46] and the number of pregnancies that end in natural miscarriages.[22]

In 2006, Congressman Henry Waxman (D-CA) led an investigation of taxpayer-funded CPCs and found that they provided "false and misleading information about the health risks of an abortion" to "vulnerable teenagers".[1]

Pro-choice organizations like Planned Parenthood, the National Abortion Federation, and Choice Ireland have criticized CPCs' dissemination of false medical information.[4][53][54] Care Net denounces "any form of deception in its corporate advertising or individual conversations with its clients", though they also say of their promotion of an abortion–breast cancer link that their "role is clearly to include this possible risk when [they] educate clients about all the risks of abortions."[31]

 

Okay. Nevermind.

 

Utter rubbish US sex education is some of the worst in any first world country, it is not coincidence that 6 of the top 10 states with the highest teenage pregnancies are states with predominately abstinence only sex education. What makes it even sadder is that most pro-lifers don't even know what comprehensive sex education involves.

 

not just commonly, medically as well

They are proven liars and that is why they are not liked.

Look up what create means.

Yes she does.

Why not?

You devalue her life with every comment you make, just as you devalue the life of all those handicapped newborns you want to kill .. your hypocrisy astounds me.

 

Yeah, and abortion is an act of violence against a woman as well.

 

No more than any other medical procedure is an act of violence against anyone who has a medical procedure....

 

Has this video changed even ONE person's mind??

I call it massive thread fail

 

You think saying pro choicers have a disdain for children isn't an attack??? Hypocrite, thy name is PatriotNews.


It's a FACT that some children are unwanted. If they weren't, they'd not be aging out of foster care.

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There's a lot that you don't see.

Whatever her reasons are, it's irrelevant - a woman has the right to have an early term abortion.