Public school under fire for sending kids on field trip to creationist museum

Nope.

That field trip used tax payer dollars to indoctrinate children with religious bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Sending kids to an institution teaching Biblical liberalism as fact isn't critical thinking, it's just fundamentalist indoctrination presenting itself as science

This creation museum for example kicks visitors who question any aspect of the exhibit. So much for critical thinking, lol:

On her third trip to the museum, Barton took her undergraduate students, who found the visit unsettling. Several in the group were former fundamentalists who had since rejected that worldview. Several others were gay. In part because of these backgrounds, Barton said, the students were on edge at the museum. Particularly nerve-wracking were signs warning that guests could be asked to leave the premises at any time. The group's reservation confirmation also noted that museum staff reserved the right to kick the group off the property if they were not honest about the "purpose of [the] visit."

Because of these messages, Barton said, the students felt they might accidentally reveal themselves as nonbelievers and be asked to leave. This pressure is a form of "compulsory Christianity" that is common in a region known for its fundamentalism, Barton said. People who don't ascribe to fundamentalism often report the need to hide their thoughts for fear of being judged or snubbed.

http://www.livescience.com/8501-creation-museum-creates-discomfort-visitors.html

 

Lol show me a kid who was indoctrinated because of one field trip to a museum. Hilarious.

 

You've still failed to address the fact that if students were sent to some atheist rally, where they were taught that God is a fairy tale and their parents are stupid for believing in religion - that it likely wouldn't cause the kids to immediately convert to atheism.

Still I doubt most religious people would be okay with their tax dollars being used to fund this, and rightfully so.

 

Not surprised you don't understand what constitutes critical thinking. It isn't hiding everything you don't like away from students. Also, these are undergraduate students, not kids, who are immersed in the world of liberal PC academia. If they can't understand that the world is not just their little sphere of liberalism, they have a long way to go to get to critical thinking.

 

Nope, it's just not funding a religious field trip with taxpayer dollars.

It shows the agenda is clearly to proselytize religion - if it was about "critical thinking" the museums wouldn't evict people who don't immediately agree with the literalist Bible views espoused there

 

The intent of the museum and its advocates is indoctrination, regardless of whether or not they are successful.

 

Good grief. Are you going to protect people from things you don't want them to hear from cradle to grave? The poor little undergraduate babies complain about another PC item.

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What do you think the intent of liberal leaning education is?

 

You seem to be confused - the kids in the original story are 3rd graders.

 

A public school's responsibility is to educate based upon facts, not religious mumbo jumbo. If people want to indulge their kids in extracurricular activities that espouse the mumbo jumbo, no one is preventing them from doing so nor is anyone shutting down these places. Taxpayers do not need to pay for these types of trips for public schools. Whoever thought this trip was a good idea is an idiot.

 

I was replying to this.

BTW, what is wrong with teaching kids about what is in the world? You got a problem with education?

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Whose facts? Liberal leaning educators? What is funny is now that they have taught their kids the PC way, they are reaping the benefits and finding they cannot talk about certain things or face persecution. Gotta love it.

 

Except that, as recently as December, 2012....most Americans (ie 77%) according to a Gallop poll, still consider themselves to be or identify as Christians. Are you really going to try to say that most Christians do NOT believe in the Creationist theory from the Bible? Really?

I'd like to see your stats on that. Just because leftists have been indoctrinating school children to disbelieve the Bible and to instead, believe that we all evolved from apes....

doesn't make it so.

 

the comparison was to it's already happened, no reason to do anything about it now

we should fire those responsible.... and move on....

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Out all Christians in America, the actively practicing evangelicals are only about 13% of the Christian population - and this is the demographic most strongly opposed to evolution (along with a minority of traditional Catholics). About 50% off all Christians in America would be considered more "cultural" Christians who don't follow an ultra-literal interpretation of the Bible, so many of them are likely more accepting of evolution and not in favor of a fundamentalist view on Genesis. Pope Francis himself even declared evolution scientifically compatible, and he represents over 1 billion Catholics..

And if you'd been born in Galileo's time you'd probably be saying that heliocentrism was "left-wing indoctrination" too - some extreme Catholics still believe this.

Plus people didn't "evolve from apes" - that's a misquoting of evolution, you clearly have never read anything about it yet think you know all about it.

 

Here's a poll that shows the preference of most Americans re: creationism vs. evolution theory.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-creationism-trumps-evolution/

I never said I did know "all about it" (evolution).....


now did I?

 

Are you implying that Creationists don't mouth off the Creationist stuff as factual?

The only thing there is to educate kids about Creationism is that it's bogus

 

Simply for the school not to go there as a field trip anymore. Can't take it back, but it can be the last time they go there. If parents want to take their kids there, that is their right.

I have no problems with trips to churches, etc. as part of a comparative religion class. In fact, i think it's probably a good idea. I don't think going to a church as part of a science class is appropriate educationally.

 

Then it should be taught in a comparative religions class, not as part of the science curriculum.

 

Certain branches of Christianity teach one or both of those. One argument for humans and dinosaurs is that the behemoth mentioned in Job is a dinosaur. The 6000 year old thing is the calculations that Bishop Ussher made about the origin of earth based on the ages and dates in the Old Testament.

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Scientific theories started as ways to explain observations. Creationism isn't science, no matter how much you stretch the definition of science. I'm a religious man, but creationism is, IMHO, heresy. It assumes the Bible is literally true, which it was not meant to be. It's an extended parable.

 

Teaching how boys ass (*)(*)(*)(*) each other isn't either... But I can show you can example of that being taught.

 

Are you implying that Liberals don't mouth off the Liberal stuff as factual?

 

Evolution isn't "liberal", it's a realm of science.

Some traditional Catholics still reject Galileo's theory of heliocentrism - is it "liberal" as well?

 

Even a lot of Christian creationists don't believe in a strictly literal interpretation of Genesis - they still accept the fossil record, that the earth is billions of years old, etc

The belief that the earth is 6,000 years old, and that dinos rode on Noah's Ark, etc is a minority belief held by some fundamentalists

 

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Let's talk about what happened , not hypotheticals. I think people need to calm down a hit.

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My question was simple.