New world order wants Confederate flag in North Carolina state building to be removed

Authoritarians after symbols of anti government feelings.

 

You would be if my avatar was representative of an actual real point in history where people who believed in the ideals of my avatar consistently enslaved other people, rebelled against the United States, and started a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people. Jon Stewart made a great point recently about how black people in southern states drive on roads named for Confederate generals who would have prohibited those same black people from driving on those roads, or driving at all, among other things.

It's not just "that offends me therefore it is offensive". But some things ARE offensive and with good reason. Slavery is one. A flag that stands for slavery is not something we need to flying on public property which is supported in part by tax dollars from people who would have been slaves under that flag and those who supported the ideals it represents.

 

The New World Order? WTF? Those guys sure get around.

 

Lol...If by "new world order' you mean anyone who isn't a reactionary racist traitor, then you're right.

 

The term "new world order" has obviously taken on misleading connotations.

There MUST be a "new world order" because the "old world order" is no more.

The actual new world order is not any specific ideology and it's not a "new" idea.

What we are seeing is the chaos produced by the fall of the old world order and the attempt by all groups to gain a power foothold within the "new world order".

This power restructuring is an obvious and necessary part of ending the old one.

The same thing occurred when the Roman Empire fell, when the British Empire fell etc...

It was no different when the Soviet Union fell as the "Cold War" was the main reason that "old" order was maintained.

 

NWO traitor is a deconstructionist of history..racism is a basic reaction to protecting ones original culture, now going extreme with it is reactionary

 

Nothing shameful about it. The civil war started with the south fighting for its independence from the north. The north fighting to preserve the union. In the beginning slavery wasn't even mentioned. Emancepation Proclamation was issued in 1863, it made slavery the issue. But the proclamation did not free a single slave in the north. It freed the slaves it what it called the ten rebellious southern states. When the The Proclamation applied only to slaves in Confederate-held lands; it did not apply to those in the four slave states that were not in rebellion (Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, and Missouri, which were unnamed), nor to Tennessee (unnamed but occupied by Union troops since 1862) and lower Louisiana (also under occupation), and specifically excluded those counties of Virginia soon to form the state of West Virginia. Also specifically excluded (by name) were some regions already controlled by the Union army. Emancipation in those places would come after separate state actions and/or the December 1865 ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment, which made slavery and indentured servitude, except for those duly convicted of a crime, illegal everywhere subject to United States jurisdiction.

So left unsaid in all of this, is even after the south lost and all its slaves were freed, slavery was still legal and practiced in the north until the ratification of the thirteenth amendment. Very few people know or realize this.

 

Except the flag doesn't stand for "slavery and treason and war", it stands for Scottish culture. But the US government has been conditioning people to view the Confederate battle flag as such for decades in order to justify their war of aggression and conquest, so it's hardly any surprise that you feel this way.

 

I am a northerner born and raised. I live in Ohio to this day. I never considered the Confederate battle flag anything other than just that- a battle flag for the Confederacy. It doesn't symbolize racism, slavery, treason or any of the falsehoods perpetuated by those ignorant of historical fact.

 

The U.S. government has nothing to do with it. That flag is the flag of the Confederacy, which stood for slavery, treason, and war. I didn't say what I said because I've been brainwashed by the government, I said it because I know history. If you want to put some wacky spin on it, by all means, power to you.

 

The US government has everything to do with it. They needed to justify their illegal war of aggression and conquest and did so by playing up the abolition of slavery, even though that was never the US government's intention.

No, it stood for the Scottish heritage of the southern soldiery. Anything else is just a biased interpolation of one's subjective feelings.

As for your accusation of "treason", that was roundly and soundly refuted by the abolitionist, Lysander Spooner:

The question of treason is distinct from that of slavery; and is the same that it would have been, if free States, instead of slave States, had seceded.

On the part of the North, the war was carried on, not to liberate slaves, but by a government that had always perverted and violated the Constitution, to keep the slaves in bondage; and was still willing to do so, if the slaveholders could be thereby induced to stay in the Union.

The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals.

No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it really be established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle --- but only in degree --- between political and chattel slavery. The former, no less than the latter, denies a man's ownership of himself and the products of his labor; and [*iv] asserts that other men may own him, and dispose of him and his property, for their uses, and at their pleasure.

Previous to the war, there were some grounds for saying that --- in theory, at least, if not in practice --- our government was a free one; that it rested on consent. But nothing of that kind can be said now, if the principle on which the war was carried on by the North, is irrevocably established.

If that principle be not the principle of the Constitution, the fact should be known. If it be the principle of the Constitution, the Constitution itself should be at once overthrown.

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A new world order in being a globalist new world order of corporate fascism currently infiltrating government and institutions around the world to incrementally work towards the agenda of eventual world government.

 

I'm not concerned with the North's intentions, nor am I under any illusions about them. But it was the South that was principally involved in the slave trade since they had the agricultural need for cheap labor, and the culture supported the use of bondage and servitude to accomplish it. And if the South had won, the emancipation proclamation would have been reversed. I don't particularly care what Lincoln's intentions with the document were or what his feelings about black folks were, I only care about what it accomplished which was to free a class of people from bondage and slavery. If it had been the South that freed the slaves instead of enacting a century of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) Jim Crow, maybe this conversation would be different.

That may have been the original intent for the flag design and why the Confederacy chose to use it, but the moment they did it became the symbol OF the Confederacy. It may hold different meaning to you and others, but to some it is a very real reminder that had history gone a bit differently certain folks would still be in chains. And that flag shouldn't be flying over a building that represents some of those same people the Confederacy would have kept in chains.

That's wonderful, but also nothing more than interpolation of one's subjective feelings.

 

Every western country in the world aside from the US abolished slavery peacefully, and the industrial revolution would have made slavery economically uncompetitive, so the "civil war" was really just a needless disaster foisted on the American people by northern bankers and industrialists who were looking to profit off of war and political favoritism.

In 1860, there were actually more free blacks in the south than in the north, so it shouldn't be assumed that the policy of the confederacy was to categorically enslave blacks.

His conclusions are based on a set of facts and logic that I doubt you can refute.

 

You cannot say that with any certainty. But assuming for a second that it was inevitable, what's another 50 years, 75 years of slavery, give or take, right? And trying to blame the North for the war is wholly foolish. Certainly the North played their part, but so too did the South. And it was the south that decided to rebel.

What was the percentage of free blacks to enslaved blacks in the north and the south?

His conclusions are based on his subjective view on whether a people or state can rebel against a government. Your finding his view correct or incorrect depends wholly on your feelings about whether armed rebellion is okay or not. I'm assuming it's got something to do with the natural laws being discussed in that other thread but natural laws are just an idea that don't actually exist. So objective logic cannot be based on them.



But we're getting away from what my original point was in this thread which wasn't to debate the civil war. IF you want to have that flag somewhere on private property or on your body, go for it. I just don't think it belongs on public property. It may be a beacon of freedom and righteousness to you, but to others whose history is also tied up with that flag it means something entirely different. And since those places are public property, I don't think we need to be flying a flag that for some people represents a time when their ancestors were property.

 

Yes, it's a pretty sad indictment on the South they were one of the few places in the world that would fight to the bloody death to preserve human bondage. Remind you this: If ranked as an independent nation, the south would have been the fourth richest country of the world in 1860. they were willing to do *anything* to preserve their literal lifeblood and engine of the economy: slaves.

What a ridiculous statement. The Industrial Revolution started in the late 18th and early 19th century. The IR actually created more demand for slavery.

And there would *always* be a need for cheap labor. Hell, for nearly 100 years after the Civil Was they practiced Slavery By Another Name.

Nothing shows facts quickly better than a visual:

 

Oh, and thanks the racist Southerners who decided the Dred Scott decision -- and the South lauded, those Free Blacks in the North and South were deemed to be not citizens of their own country --

The black race -- free or not -- “had no rights which the white man was bound to respect.”

 

All the posts on this thread illustrate the hatred and racism which still exists in the USA.
For that very reason, nothing will ever change...you people are a lost cause...

 

at lease we have backbone like trump..and stand by in what we believe in

 

Hows that working for you.......

 

Shouldn't this be in conspiracy theories forum since the title says it's the "new world order" doing this?

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Prove that this NAACP dude is part of the "new world order", or just report the facts.

Prove that he's not just an individual complaining about racism.

 

oh well theres a little set back with the confederate flag taking a hit on our flanks, because so called nut case went coocoo on a shooting spree and Hilary and Obama want to confiscated our guns and bush and romney are in with the nwo, saying south Carolina [video=youtube;_Ovtw1D-Spk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ovtw1D-Spk[/video] should take in down the old battle flag, i think we flushed them all out and where ready for a counter attack, LOL

 

You conveniently overlooked the racism and hatred I referred to in this thread.......and others.....

 

nope get with the times the NWO is for real and take it all the way to the corporatist global system run BANK/s

 

oh come on not you to ?with the race card?isnt a baby suppose to have a open mind arrg!