Why isn't repbulican congress fixing immigration?

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  1. Liquid Reigns

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    Ideological stupidity.

    Is that why there is SAP on your TV set, where in any channel can be heard in a different language? :eekeyes:

    Lesser quality? What does "quality" have to do with anything? :roll:

    Are you bound to watch Telemundo? or can you change the channel and watch what ever your little heart desires? :yawn:

    :alcoholic:

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    Some of that money would be spent here, while some of it would afford people to travel and spend it elsewhere.

    :yawn: This is like calling me a coward and then putting me on your ignore list. The IRONY :roflol:
     
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    Basic economics merits that if the cost of labor goes down so should the price of the end product, thus making it affordable to more people. If more people are able to buy a product profits will still increase even at a lower purchase price. You need to pay attention to inflation.
     
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    FECA starts in 1974. The Buckley v. Valeo following shortly thereafter did more to guarantee that only rich people could effectively hope to unseat an incumbent by limiting campaign contributions from sources other than one's self. Since then the house and more particularly the Senate have been effectively a rich man's club. Every year brings new rules and regulations and new lawsuits to offset them.

    AS for citizens United please explain to me what you think it did and then I will tell what it really did which frankly wasn't a hell of a lot. And why McCutchen is roundly ignored a far worse decision in most regards.
     
  4. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh my, it seems you just can't get over your parochialism. Every time you got nuthin' you use this objection as tho it invalidates the point. Explains a lot about the attitudes of those on the right, tho.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nah, pulling the nation out of the worst recession since the depression. Bringing double digit unemployment down once again to the historical norms. Reforming the healthcare system. Ending a decade+ old war that the previous administration screwed up so badly. Imposing international sanctions on Iran that worked. And the list goes on. AND doing this despite the oppositions publically stated and regularly re-iterated strategy of obstructionism.

    Mistakes? quite a few but not enough to tip the balance despite the partisan crap that NO OTHER president was subjected to. At least I dont' recall from history any president who's eligibility,patriotism and religious belief was questioned to the outrageously idiotic extent that the far right went to.


    Of course I understand you and your cronies will never concede any of the positive things he has done.
     
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    You were fooled. Those stories confirm that Obama was counting removals at the border as "deportations" when in the past they were not. Numerous congressional investigations have confirmed that Obama is basically letting anyone who is unlawfully in the country stay. Homeland Security and ICE have admitted that over 30,000 criminals were released back into society and that they have committed thousands of additional crimes including murder, rape, etc.

    Besides, I don't ever want to hear that crap about how the United States is "breaking up families" by sending illegal aliens home. Nobody is breaking up families. They can take their families with them when they go or their families can join them in the countries where they belong. It is not the job of the people of the United STates of America to tolerate the presence of illegal aliens so they don't have to break up their families. Lets worry about the familes of those who belong here before we worry about the families of those who don't.
     
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    yes gerrymandering has definitely given the republicans control of congress if not the senate, but as for a republican in the white house in 2017, that remains to be seen.
    OTOH, I gotta say there isn't anyone in either race with the exception of Bernie (refreshingly straightforward) that has any real appeal.
     
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    And a huge amount of that cash will go to Democrats, including lots of foreign donations to Clinton. All the "reforms" that Democrats have suggested for Citizens United have been constructed to damage traditional sources of funds for Republicans while allowing the continuation of contributions to Democrats (like from the Union Thugs). Besides, as to business expenditures, looked pretty even to me in 2012 http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/sectorall.php?cycle=2012
     
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    Oh? its not? So you are saying that the GOP finally learned their lesson after beating their heads against a brick wall 55 times? Well, it does take some people longer than other to learn.

    Yet the republicans are NOT offering up any actual plan for immigration reform apart from throwing out Band-Aid "fixes" based on taking advantage of the news cycle.

    And now they claim to have learned their lessons and will not even attempt to fix the problems because they think they aren't going to get passed a presidential veto, despite there being nothing to veto.

    Its like saying "We're not going to compete because the other team is stronger than us". Ball-less politicking.
     
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    yep I actually believe this.

    Perhaps you can correct my mistaken belief by point to the immigration reform plan of the GOP and explain why the GOP isn't taking the opportunity to put ALL the pressure on Obama and the dems, by doing so?
     
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    Wow. giving up on such an important issue because the possibility that it might be vetoed, except of course that something can't be vetoed until it is actually passed by both houses.

    what a marvelous excuse for doing nothing but whining. Guess "underdogs" shouldn't try and never win in the world of conservatism.

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    Not to mention the religious nuts, sexual deviants, crooks, the stupid and the paranoid on both sides.

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    Wow. that's some kind of fantasy.
     
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    Broken record.


    So?

    Where is in the republicans immigration reform bill?
    There was a bill passed by the senate that was rejected by the house. they decided not to take the opportunity to counter with a bill of their own.
    I guess because they can't get any consensus amongst their own caucus.

    You do have a point tho, wrt Obama and the dems taking so long to get around to it only to fail. At least illegal immigration growth over the passed 6 years has been substantially reduced and is now nothing like it was for the 8 years prior.

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    Republican presidents haven't done a very good job of enforcement either. Might want to look at the numbers during Bush2 - not pretty either.
     
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    So you're saying a self-professed Communist has real appeal..My question is:To who?
    Not me,that's for sure.
    Let's see how big his views go over with the public.
     
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    So you are saying you have no idea what the difference between a "socialist" and commie are? I say he has real appeal because he's not afraid to stand up to the status quo and I think the world of politics needs more people of that ilk, regardless of their economic philosophy (as long as they are neither commies or fascists).

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    So you are saying you have no idea what the difference between a "socialist" and commie are? I say he has real appeal because he's not afraid to stand up to the status quo and I think the world of politics needs more people of that ilk, regardless of their economic philosophy (as long as they are neither commies or fascists).
     
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    Districting under the Republican plan.

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    Districting under the Democrat plan.

    We can see who's gerrymandering very clearly.
     
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    Why propose a bill that they know the moron in the oval office will veto? Perhaps they are waiting for an adult to be elected to the oval office.
     
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    Only losers don't try.
     
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    Never said they didn't. Might want to review congressional districts and the fact that democrats garnered a substantially larger % of the total votes than republicans. Those democrats sure are dumb when it comes to gerrymandering, wot?
     
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    Can I even call this little cherry pick a nice try ? I'm trying really hard to give you the benefit of the doubt. Trying. Trying. Mmmmmm. Nah. Sorry. Can't quite call it that.

    1. There you go trying to mix drug money into remittances, and trying to distort and confuse the issue. No distortion. No confusion. Actually I have quite a few illegal aliens in my neighborhood. They mostly live on one block and other one that runs perpendicular into it. I see them in the supermarket all the time. I talk to them (in Spanish of course -which is why Univision needs them-they make no attempt to learn English) Drugs are one subject. Remittances are another. But having talked to these invaders enough times, I have yet to see even once when they were stoned on something. No, they just go to work, and go to the bank and wire their money to Mexico. That's it.

    2. And what does remittances have to do with immigration reform ? HA HA. Leave it to a liberal to ask a question like that. You might as well be asking "what does a bat have to do with a baseball game ?" :roll: EARTH TO LIBERAL: Remittances are a MAJOR part of why all this issue EXISTS. Immigration 101 - your first lesson. There are 2 reasons why migrants are coming to the US. Because 1) Mexico gains tens of Billions/year in human services payouts to Mexicans in the US (us paying their poverty bill) and 2) Remittances$$ > $20-25 Billion/year every year since 2006. Combined, these are Mexico's # 1 source of income. The remittances just by themselves, are Mexico's 2nd largest source of income (second only to their oil exports). It's called imperialism (21st century style) Starting to focus now ? :roll:

    3. How La Raza is funded has nothing to do with the fact that they are a racist organization (the words "La Raza" literally means "the race"), and they just want more and more of their "race" (they call it) here in America. In their mindset, if enough Mexicans come to America, don't speak English, retain Mexican culture, have lots of babies, eventually, over time, the US will be "MEXICAN". Get it ? They call it "reconquista" > Reconquer the continent.

    4. Oh you did a really nice cherry pick on the economist all right. when I read the article I saw the sentence you cherry picked. Then I said this is the one PA is going to cherry pick and post. I knew it before you posted it. Now here's all the ones you chose not to post >>

    a. "IN AMERICA Roman Catholic ears are ringing from sermons supporting immigration reform. On September 8th, just before politicians returned to Congress after their summer break, several Catholic bishops spoke in favour of a bill passed by the Senate in June. The legislation would provide a bridge to citizenship for the 11m people currently residing in America without legal authorisation"

    b. "It seems to want to ensure that foreign nationals of “good character” can earn a legitimate status, families can be together and needy workers are given a chance to gain employment legally"

    c. " The church supports restoration of due-process rights to those in America without proper permission, withdrawn from them after the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA)"

    d. "Church leaders point to biblical teachings to explain their interest in helping illegal immigrants. Instructions seem clear in Leviticus: “When a foreigner lives with you in your land, don’t take advantage of him. Treat the foreigner the same as a native. Love him like one of your own” (19:33-34)"

    e. " demographics may also be a more pressing motivation. Recent immigrants are more likely to follow the faith. In Mexico, which supplies America with by far its biggest immigrant community, eight out of ten people are Catholic. According to research conducted by the Pew Research Centre, a think-tank, half of all legal immigrants to America since 1965 have come from Latin America (the proportion of illegal immigrants may be much higher). This has boosted the church."

    f. "Currently only 22% of Americans are Catholic. One possible reason why the Catholic church is keen to cultivate Hispanic migrants could be that, if some of the immigrants are more socially conservative, their voices could become louder on topics such as contraception and abortion, over which the church has clashed with the Obama administration.

    g. "Welcoming more Hispanics into the country would also swell congregations, extending the church’s influence from pulpits to polling stations." .........(Exactly what I said in the first place)

    As for the declining memberships in unions, this is a well-known fact in America. So if you want to look stupid, go ahead and try to deny it.

    THIS is NOT anonymous >>

    http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/02/FT_14.02.19_LaborUnions_1.png

    PS - in a quality forum (rather than this cheapo one) the color chart wold have posted directly in, but here you just get the URL. Go ahead click it, Mr. Liberal. G'wan. Click it. And here's the whole article as well >>

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-membership-trails-far-behind-public-support/

    What money corporations put into promoting amnesty is just one part of a large picture of VESTED INTERESTS. But since your liberal masters have programmed you to attack the corporations, and you think that's is your mission, feel free to attack. Go ahead, liberal. Sic'm.
     
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    Appeal to the VESTED INTERESTS who want immigrants in the US (despite the long list of HARMS to Americans) Bernie has an F- grade on immigration from NumbersUSA. All his socialist policies, helpful to the American working class, are RUINED by his policies on that one issue, that is devastating to the American worker (and Americans in general). This is why Bernie (and the whole Democratic party) is the American working class' worst nightmare.
     
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    Every candidate in the 2016 presidential race is bought by "contributors" (legal bribery), to whom they will have to grant special favors if/whenever they become president. ALL BUT ONE >>> Donald Trump. Don't like the way campaigns are privately financed ? Trump is your man.
     
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    Looks like YOU are who is not conceding. How many Americans remain unemployed because of Obama's pro-immigration (legal & illegal) policies, while bogus unemployment figures count newly arrived foreigners as "employed" >>

    How much have wages remained low ?
    How many tax $$ have been lost ?
    How many remittance $$ have been lost ? (I'll answer that one. $123 Billion/year (2012 figure).
    How many more laws have been broken ? (I'll answer that too. At least one for ever immigrant here illegally + may more including rapes and murders)
    How much more traffic congestion and pollution is there ?
    How much overcrowding in schools, govt offices, recreational facilities, and hospital ERs has there been ?
    And much money has gone to pay hospitals for their ER losses$$ from Obama's favored illegal aliens taking advantage of EMTALA ?
    How much have American seniors and veterans lost in their monthly payments due to welfare going to anchor baby parents and other illegals with false documentation ?
    How much of America's culture has been eroded by Spanish telephone recordings, billboards, media, etc ? How much overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc) has been occuring ?
    How many Americans have died or been sickend by the Entero Virus (D68) brought here by Central American kids who Obama chose not to deport,? and instead arranged for them to resettle in American cities, which then had D68 epidemics

    And "Ending a decade+ old war" ? EARTH TO JONSA: War in the middle east will NEVER be ended. It has been going on since 622AD, and will continue as long as Muslim jihad exists. All Obama's removal of troops in Iraq in 2011 did, was to turn a won and stabilized war, into a lost (numerous Iraqi cities and territory) one, with ISIS now in control.

    Lastly, you've really got to be kidding to talk about sanctions on Iran. Obama is who removed them and has given Iran, billions of $$$ and arms including ballistic missles to use against Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the USA. Obama needs to read Donald Trump's book, The Art of the Deal.

    http://www.amazon.com/Trump-The-Deal-Donald-J/dp/0345479173
     
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    There are two GOP entities. The GOP, and the GOP RINOs.
     
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