Gowdy on Hillary's server: "Almost got away with it but she didn't."

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    REP. TREY GOWDY: Every explanation Secretary Clinton has provided about a week later was proven to be demonstrably false. This is just the latest one of those assertions that there was no classified info. I saw the clip this morning. She was very definitive – she neither sent or received classified information. Well, that is patently false. What I’m primarily concerned with is whether or not I'm going to have access to records that I need to do the job that the House asked me to do...

    If she were interested in cooperation she wouldn't have done any of the things she's done to date. This was not about cooperation, and frankly, it's not about convenience, it's about control. She wanted to control access to the public record, and she almost got away with it but she didn't.

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    IMO, Hillary did not have a choice in handing over her server(s) to the FBI and Justice Dept., They were going to be seized in any case. Rather than have the server(s) seized they were surrendered and in the process escaped the notoriety of a public FBI raid and seizure. This subject has eroded Hillary's lead and her chances of the Democratic Party nomination. One would think that her experience with Watergate and her lies would have taught her a lesson. Apparently not.
     
  2. YouLie

    YouLie Well-Known Member

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    I think her latest defense is that she didn't "knowingly" send or receive classified information. She will get away with it. There's no way she gets prosecuted like the general. But if it keeps her from becoming president, I'm satisfied.

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    She's had plenty of time to bring in her own experts to try to sanitize her server. I admit I'm technically ignorant as to the feasibility of actually doing it. I imagine just about anything can be done these days.
     
  3. JoeSixpack

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    No she needs to be drug away in chains, properly prosecuted, jailed, and stripped of any pension or anything else the government provides for her including SS body guards. Sorry disgusting creature that she is, her and the rest of her crony capitalist sock puppets on both sides of the aisle.
     
  4. FreshAir

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    agree, most politicians use private email, so there is no way she goes down for this

    she will though bring awareness to this... and people will start using chat or other means then email (group of the powerful may even set up private message boards, may already have them is my guess)

    will Congress pass a law making it a felony for gov employees to use private email, nope, in fact they tried in the past and it was a republican that added an amendment that allowed the use of private email to continue

    why is only email recorded, why not instant message, web use, phones, ect....

    basically what has happened here is the right was wrong about Benghazi, so they are trying to change the attack to her email
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  5. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most politicians are not the secretary of state that deal with highly sensitive material. Quit making excuses, she is not above the law

    Clinton could suck the brains out of a live baby and you'd give her a pass

    BTW, the republicans were right about Benghazi, a movie will soon be released and I bet you can't wait to see it

    Here, just so you don't miss it:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4172430/
     
  6. YouLie

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    If she broke the law, shouldn't she be held accountable?
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    [snip]
    "Improper handling of such info violates federal law. A violation occurs when anyone entrusted with the information, “through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted or destroyed.”
    The feds have prosecuted two CIA chiefs for putting classified info on their home computers. Why not a secretary of state?"
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    "Federal law strictly regulates the handling and transmission of national-security (*)secrets for good reason. Safeguarding this stuff is literally a matter of life and death."

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    http://nypost.com/2015/08/12/hillary-clintons-top-secret-sins/
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  8. Elentari

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    *sigh* Statements like this make me sad. Not all liberals are pro-Hillary. Frankly, I want her held accountable to the highest extent of the law. If that means jail time, so be it. I don't hold all GOP supporters as Bush- or Trump- lovers, so I'd appreciate not having all Dems/liberals/progressives be tossed into the Hillary boat.

    As far as sanitizing that server--she'd have to have people physically manipulate it to the point of destruction (or perhaps a really good degaussing, or running over it about 10 times with DBAN) to prevent the files from being recovered. Forensics nowadays have gotten rather good at retrieving data. If the gov't is worth their salt (and their pay), they'll retrieve whatever's on it. If they can get the IRS emails, they can get Hillary's copies too.
     
  9. fiddlerdave

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    Well, let's see what White House and the Republican National Committee's deletion of MILLIONS of emails held ANYONE or ANYTHING "accountable"! :lol:

    Prosecutions? NONE!
    Charges? NONE!
    Republicans lawmakers getting hearings? NONE!

    How very odd!

    Could it be that there is a rabid screaming noise machine from the Right Wing Lie Machine trying to find something trivial for them to desperately trying to say something, anything, because they have nothing substantive to say or do? BINGO!

    http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/0...t-height-of-u-s-attorney-scandal-media-yawns/
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually if you look at my post history I said months ago that the email scandal would likely amount to nothing, and continued to state it was the Red Queen's hideous divisive personality, utter lack of accomplishments, and the Obama campaign against her that would see her lose the election...
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't be sad, that's just how it is 99.9% of the time. That you would hold her accountable sort of disqualifies you as one 'those' progressives, but only time will tell...
     
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    Proof?
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's that or more and more progressives are letting their inner commie out with direct support towards Sanders...
     
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    This is only the beginning. In cases involving mishandled classified information, 1st it is determined that the info wasn't secure. Thats where we are now. Next, the extent of harm the breach caused is assessed. We haven't got to that stage yet.

    Also, yes, everyone uses private email. But exclusively private email? Probably not.
     
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    there was no harm caused be her private email.... no one has even claimed there might of been other then you that I have heard

    the second sentence I agree with

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  16. Dispondent

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    Whether harm was caused or not is irrelevant as the laws are very clear on this. As a legal issue this is absolutely serious, particularly if we don't want to see the same thing repeated. As a scandal it's pretty boring and gets too technical, which will ensure most people stop caring after a while, regardless of how often it is brought up. The next question people should be asking, is who else in the administration did or is doing this?
     
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    if she broke a law she should be charged, I was only commenting on the "harm caused' part of the post

    she is begin investigated, we will know soon enough if she broke any laws

    I think we need new laws, laws that make it a felony for any pubic official to use non -gov approved email for ANY political business, including correspondence with lobbyists, all email approved should be recorded for 7 years by the government and avail on freedom of information act laws

    this needs to include instant messaging apps, voice calls and web boards like this... all communications that are political in nature
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Must check if the sky is falling, because I actually agree with you on new laws for that... :)
     
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    "Improper handling of such info violates federal law. A violation occurs when anyone entrusted with the information, “through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted or destroyed.”"

    The feds have prosecuted two CIA chiefs for putting classified info on their home computers. Why not a secretary of state? – NY Post

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  20. Wehrwolfen

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    I guess you've led a cloistered life since this began..

    Don't ask Dems about Hillary Clinton's emails - CNN.com
    www.cnn.com/.../hillary-clinton-email-congressional-democrat-reac...
    Mar 4, 2015 - The mere mention of Clinton's travails sent Democrats scrambling to avoid ... READ: Hillary Clinton's emails: What you need to know.
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    'Top Secret' emails found as Clinton probe expands to key ...
    www.mcclatchydc.com/.../article30714762....McClatchy Washington Bureau
    2 days ago - ... standing as the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination. Since her reliance on private email was revealed in March, polls in ... of voters say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, in part, because of her use of private emails. ..... Get and read The Real Scandal Of Watergate, just published.
     
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    It is absolutely trivial to have sanitized that server in such a way as there will never be anything incriminating recovered. It would have been time consuming, but not difficult. There was easily enough time to have done it between the time it was shut down and now.
     
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    All they would have to do is rebuild the server from a backup onto a different set of hard drives, and make sure the original drives are destroyed and their pieces buried next to Hoffa. That's literally a few hours of work, and no forensics team would ever recover anything, because nothing would ever have been deleted from those drives. In the months since she shut that server down, she could have had her minions scrubbing and sanitizing log files and email accounts, and that server will be clean as a whistle. No amount of forensic magic can recover what was never there, and there will be no way to guarantee that the drives delivered with the server are the same ones that were in use while it was running.

    I'm an IT geek, professionally, so...
    I'd like to know who is doing her IT work.
    I'd like to know which email system the server used.
    I'd like to know details about the server hardware and the network infrastructure in place to support it.
    I'd like to know about any OTHER email accounts hosted on that server.
     
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    For what it's worth here's the available information as of today:

    "WASHINGTON The chairman of the Senate’s homeland security committee has asked a small, 13-year-old Denver technology company that managed tens of thousands of emails for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to describe what measures it took to safeguard national security information.


    The FBI, which has embarked on its own scrutiny of Clinton’s private server, also has shown interest in the company, Platte River Networks,"
     
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    [video=youtube;xs2_mqdfaJM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs2_mqdfaJM[/video]
     
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    ...for using a personal mail account for work-related correspondence?

    I mean, it's not exactly like she raped and murdered someone. I think this is being blown way out of proportion.
     

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