Crimea locals prefer Moscow to Kiev

You're so right. Nothing going on at all.

Apart from a US sponsored coup d'etat in the Ukraine which destablized the whole region and led Russia to protect its strategic interests and its Black Sea fleet stationed at the port of Sevastopol.

 

Well ... to be fair I must say as for sure no "Pro Russia guy" that this is not only nonsense about re-creation of USSR etc., but the West should stop to ignore Russia again and again in this impudent behavior they did and still do.
After end of cold war were clear agreements done, as well later again when USSR broke into pieces in matter that the US and NATO will not enter Ex-USSR room without permission of Russia. This agreement is broken again and again on one hand with an impudent behavior, as well is Russia excluded again and again by ignoring them.

You in the USA should think a moment about if Russia, China or even more worse, North Korea or Iran is acting the same way in the "front yard" of the USA (Caribbean and Middle America) as how the US act next to Russia and others!
There is a current BS jabbering about all these so dangerous "Alliens" from Mexico entering USA = build up of a full wall etc. What will reaction of USA be if Mexico shows out of this the US the middle finger and makes a close agreement with Russia, China or worse, with Iran or North Korea in which they are allowed to establish Air- and Naval Bases on their territory, making common exercises of both military and so on ... aside other things in economic etc. by totally ignoring the US and their thinking?
You will shout for a mission of US Marines to explain them that this is a bad idea or for any boycott etc.? If yes, look into the mirror, because this is what the US is doing with Russia!

 

Do you actually believe in what you say? Frankly I doubt it.

When the international community (note, not the US) intervened Yugoslavia was several years into a civil war, armies were fighting, hundreds of thousands in concentration camps, tortured, beaten, starved, tens of thousands massacred...

And peace and quiet in Ukraine on the eve of the Russian invasion, not even minor disturbances, specifically in Crimea.

As I said, your attempts to justify Russia's aggression and land theft by pointing at the US are childish. Your comparison of the situation in Ukraine with war torn Yugoslavia are beyond absurd, they have nothing in common. If you want true historical comparison of Putin's aggression - it's Hitler's annexation of Czechoslovakia. Absolutely identical actions and justifications.

 

The declaration of independence had nothing to do with the war. The war ended in 1999, the declaration of independence occurred in 2008.

Except, of course, the protests involving thousands of citizens in both Crimea and East Ukraine.

No one is comparing war torn Yugoslavia with Ukraine, the US was justified in intervening in 1999. However, supporting an independence movement in 2008, 10 years after the end of the war, with the nationalist government gone and justifying it with the claim that the Serbs were poised to commit another massacre stretches credulity.

 

Lol supporting an independence movement in a civil war torn country has nothing in common with unprovoked aggression, invasion and land theft in violation of Russia's own bilateral agreement guaranteeing Ukraine's territorial integrity.

As I said, the absolutely accurate comparison of Russia's action is Hitler's annexation of Czechoslovakia. If you think there is differences between the two, i'd love to hear them.

 

A proven formula. Kill off the locals, move in your own people, then your people win. That is what Russia has done in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.

So... for Kiev to be more popular the correct thing to do is to kill or drive all as many Russian speaking civilians as the Ukrainian military and police can. Historically that would be fair.

 

One last time.The war ended in 1999, the declaration of independence happened in 2008-nearly a decade later. In the period between a UN mandated mission began to operate in the area, the nationalist government was removed from power and there had been no hostilities since 1999. The region wasn't war torn. The justification for supporting independence in the region was as strong as Russia's in supporting the independence of Crimea and then annexing it.

 

Supporting independence have nothing in common with invading and stealing someone else's land. Your desperate attempts to justify Russia's unprovoked illegal dirty war and land theft are laughable, your inability to explain the difference between Putin's theft of Crimea and Hitler's annexation of Czechoslovakia is also noted.

 

In many ways it is similar, the US used military and political force to ensure that Kosovo would be de facto independent. This allowed the US to redraw national boundaries much like Russia. The only difference being that the US didn't annex Kosovo which, of course, makes all the difference. In many ways Russia's annexation had more legitimacy that Kosovo's declaration of independence which was never put to a vote and never received the endorsement of the public.

 

beyond absurd, Russia stole land and started a war, the international coalition in case of Kosovo restored peace and didn't steal a square inch.

Putin's Ukraine <> Kosovo
Putin's Ukraine = Hitler's Czechoslovakia.

 

Kosovo declared independence in 2008:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence

The war ended in 1999. The only flareup of violence between the end of the war and the declaration of independence was in 2004, during the Kosovo riots. The West did bring peace-in 1999. By the time independence was declared there had been a ceasefire for nearly a decade.

 

The war in Yugoslavia ended due to the international intervention, led by the US, which was the goal of the intervention. The war in Ukraine started due the unprovoked Russian invasion the goal of which was to steal land. Putin acknowledged this much lol

 

Support for the declaration of independence had nothing to do with the war, or the intervention. The two occurred nearly a decade apart.

 

Sorry dear but your claim that international intervention to restore peace and subsequent break up of a country mired in civil war justifies unprovoked aggression and land theft is inadequate and is one of the weakest defenses of Putin's war I've seen so far.

 

Hmm but the army of the US surrounds Russia. Russia tries not to allow it. Very wide historical experience with the friendly West...

PS. you aren't glad that in the Crimea nobody died, when it when it joined Russia and you would like that was as in Kosovo or in Donbass - at first, many killed people, then perhaps and to rescue them?

 

Threat from the West, exists centuries. After disorder of the USSR, Russia thought - the communistic ideology is destroyed and nothing disturb friendship between R.F and the U.S, but Russians were naive. At once war in Chechnya which could expand to all Caucasus. In Russia there was a full poverty, and total war in all Caucasus, would destroy Russia as the state. The CIA did everything for this purpose - delivering the weapon to terrorists (from all corners of the planet) and financing them. Fortunately for Russia, there was clever and strong in spirit Putin - and stopped this war.

 

This neither explains nor justifies the theft of Crimea. If Russia was surrounded, it changes nothing in the strategic balance, if Russia wasn't surrounded it will be now as it has revealed its aggressive nature and generated hatred in Ukraine for centuries to come.

That all Russian neighbors despise, hate and fear Russia is true though and Russia's aggression in Ukraine and Georgia only serves to reinforce the sentiment.

Hitler annexed Czechoslovakia without bloodshed as well.

 

What are you talking about? Crimea and the Black Sea was first colonized by the Greeks, and as far as I know the Russians never kicked them out, unless you mean when Stalin deported them for not being willing to collectivise? The name the Ukraine in Greek means the 'the edge ones', (I Ukraini), in other words the Russians who live on the edge.

I mean come on now, some reality here. Crimea has been Russian since Catherine the Great defeated the Tatars and gave it back to its original Greek, Genovese, Gothic and German inhabitants...and as for the rest of Ukraine, it has been part of Russia since the ninth century.

I love the creativity in your flipping. ..or should I say the destructivity of your flipping, since falsehoods are a negation of anything creative or productive. You are presenting a false narrative about Russians having ethnically cleansed the Galician Ukes from lands they wouldn't even know in their dreams, in order to excuse the massacres and maimings of the Russians by the Washington supported descendants of the same Galicians who did the same thing to the Jews, Poles, and Armenians during WWII.

Take a good look at the following, because that is what you are condoning:

 

Nobody before you doesn't justify Russia. I told what think and Russians know - they themselves protect from aggressive the USA. The U.S. move military infrastructure to borders of Russia. They make missile defense in Europe. Planing different concepts of wars, for example - Preventive war. If for example, the U.S. - launches to Russia 20 000 missiles, at the same time, and can destroy at once 80% of the Russian military nuclear facilities. If the small percent of the Russian rockets is still there, and Russia will strike with these rockets across Europe, the missile defense which is placed in Europe will stop it. It is such now sociopaths in Washington make devil plans.

 

I agree that the Russians are brainwashed by government lies but still, my point still stands, the absurd idea that the US has nothing better to do than attack Russia doesn't explain or justify the theft of Ukrainian land and the dirty undeclared war that Russia is waging there. Morally, legally, politically, economically it makes Russia's situation much worze.

 

If only the world's media would tell the truth and not try to shape their countries politically.

 

LOL, the American military thought up Preventive war - the new American doctrine. Within 3-5 years all American military system will interact so in common... against the presumable enemy. And from this follows - Russians are brainwashed?
Russia can't steal own land! The Crimea always was Russian and now Russian

 

The name the Ukraine in Russia means the 'Okraena', in other words the Russians who live on the edge too

 

As far as I understand, you can read thoughts or you can see the future like Nostradamus. Good for you.

 

The Fifth Column on Ukraine&#8217;s Front Line

MARIUPOL &#8212; A group of angry people chatted in a tight circle under a poplar tree near the wrecked building that used to be the center of government in this besieged port city on the Azov Sea. Its broken, soot-blackened windows are a sad monument to last year&#8217;s violent clashes between patriots loyal to Kiev and those who wanted pro-Russian forces to take over the city. The Ukrainian patriots won, and ever since in this city of 500,000 people those sympathetic to the pro-Russian partisans of the Donbas region are liable to arrest. But these old protesters don&#8217;t seem to care.

From time to time one of the demonstrators in the group will turn around, spit, utter a sizzling curse word and flip a middle finger at a nearby tent camp that Ukrainian patriots have decorated with the blue-and-yellow national flags. &#8220;Don&#8217;t think we are old and sick, there are hundreds of thousands of us, a majority of Mariupol,&#8221; a middle-aged man on crutches, sputtering through missing teeth, tells The Daily Beast. &#8220;But it is too dangerous for our young supporters to come out on this square, they immediately get thrown in jail.&#8221;


The commandant of the nearby tent camp, Vladimir Kisel, tells The Daily Beast that this gathering of &#8220;the fifth column&#8221; a few steps away is a bigger problem for Mariupol than one might think. &#8220;Over 50 percent of the population in Mariupol population has separatist views today. They are very aggressive.&#8221; Kisel stretched out his arm to show a blue-and-yellow bracelet around his wrist. &#8220;They can cut my hand off for this,&#8221; he said.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/24/the-fifth-column-on-ukraine-s-front-line.html