Colbert: Stop ignoring gun violence (new definition of insanity)

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Grizz, Oct 4, 2015.

  1. Grizz

    Grizz New Member

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    How true, how true:

    I am reminded of an anti-war song from the 60's, Where have all the flowers gone, and I believe Colbert has echoed that song in his plea to everyone. We cannot pretend this will not happen again, because it will. How many more must be sacrificed on the two altars of the NRA and gun manufacturers before we adopt sensible laws to begin constraining the madness? And, from Peter, Paul and Mary, "how many deaths will it take 'till he knows that too many people have died" and I don't want to hear the answer is blowin' in the wind.
     
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    Hey I wonder if their are guards at his show with guns protecting the place?
     
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    (((((((((((((((Sigh)))))))))))))) Australia acted, everyone believes, after the Port Arthur mass shooting - 35 killed. But it was not just Port Arthur it was also a string of mass shootings here and in New Zealand that sparked our law reform. But as you analyse WHY we had nearly one mass shooting per year for the 15 years prior to 1996 and only one that meets the FBI definition (four or more dead) since then
    Two things have worked

    1) we got rid of the BIG guns - you know the ones that rapid fire
    2) we mandated firearm security

    - - - Updated - - -

    I wonder if he would need guards if there were fewer guns...............
     
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    Osiris Faction Well-Known Member

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    Of course the typical response will be that he's a gun grabbing nutjob who wants to destroy the second amendment.

    Because that is always the response. Mean while somewhere out there is another mentally ill individual who will carry out another mass shooting, with a documented mental health record, and who will purchase his weapons completely legally to carry out murder.

    But no one wants to do anything about it.
     
  5. RP12

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    If people were honest they would be just as upset during gang shootings as these type of shootings. However for what ever reason we know that is not the truth.
     
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    Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC.

    Three places with the most strict gun control.

    Three places with the most daily, weekly, monthly, and yearly gun deaths.

    Three places that every liberal ignores.

    You ignore them because you're commanded to.

    You ignore them because they're cities with complete and generational Democrtaic control.

    You ignore them because Blacks are committing the crimes.

    You have the stones to tell the rest of us to "wake up"?

    Why don't you take your own advice.

    Liberal gun grabbing doesn't work because you're re never interested in taking guns from the right people.

    You just want to pick a fight with your opponent and you're using a slaughter as your own personal SJW human shield.

    Well your human shielding has no effect on me.

    I see the bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

    I see the hypocrisy.

    You want my guns because you think they are the danger to society?

    Come try and take them, see the danger for yourself.
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are Colberts security guards armed with guns?
     
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    “In the face of the killings in Oregon yesterday I honestly don’t know what to do or say,” Colbert said

    Good. Then just sit down and shut up, you silly fool! Nobody cares what you think or say. You're a goofy comedian, for Pete's Sake!
     
  9. Oxymoron

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    Liberals can whine about guns, the reason they do is they want to empower the government against the individual. Yet they forget the Founding fathers understood the threat, and codified the right to guns in the Bill of Rights.
     
  10. Grizz

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    Who says we should NOT be concerned about gang shooting and violence? Simple answer is that we should, but again, sensible (and tighter) regulations would limit gang violence as well as mass murders. I will also point out that Australia did an exemplary job at reducing gun deaths by passing some very strict laws in the wake of a terrible mass murder. This is how:

    The new gun laws included a ban on many types of semi-automatic, self-loading rifles and shotguns. Each gun required a separate permit with a 28-day waiting period, and Australia created a national firearms registration system. Guns could only be sold by licensed firearms dealers, and limits were placed on the amount of ammunition that could be sold. Firearm owners had to be 18, complete a safety course, and have a "genuine reason" for owning a gun, such as sport shooting, hunting, or occupational requirements ("personal protection" did not count as a legitimate reason). Licenses expired every five years, and could be revoked if police found "reliable evidence of a mental or physical condition which would render the applicant unsuitable for owning, possessing or using a firearm."

    The new laws also included a national gun-buyback program for newly prohibited weapons. The program cost $230 million, which was raised through a small health-insurance tax increase, and ultimately more than 700,000 firearms were purchased by the government or voluntarily handed in. Some firearms weren't turned in, and in 2012 an estimated 260,000 illegal guns were still in circulation.


    Did it work? Oh, hell yes:

    ..in 2012 a study by Australian National University's Andrew Leigh and Wilfrid Laurier University's Christine Neill concluded that in the decade after the law was introduced, the firearm homicide rate dropped by 59 percent and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65, with no corresponding increase in homicides and suicides committed without guns.


    Now, if you want to scream, "Grizz supports gun confiscation", I can only answer that I'm not in favor of more innocents dying, nor do I see any reason to arm myself with a semi-auto, large capacity, battlefield style weapon for protection or hunting or whatever other reason you could offer. Oh, yeah - I don't need a big, bad gun to demonstrate my manliness, either.
     
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    Because black lives don't matter. Unless a white person is the shooter then it makes headline news.
     
  12. FoxHastings

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    You ignore the fact that the latest "man" shooter was supplied with an arsenal of big guns by his sick twisted mommy who said here, sonny, start shooting , guns are fun. He was programmed to kill by his own mother, a raving twisted gun nut...

    The worship and adoration of guns is not a good thing.




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  13. Iriemon

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    That's like saying I have gun control at my house and then saying it's ineffective when a burglar buys a gun a the big box store down the street. A local rule doesn't help much if it can be so easily evaded. Which is why we need national laws.
     
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    Well, one problem is that the Gun Grabbers always lie. Even President Chip On His Shoulder got a "Mostly False" rating on his claims after this mixed racialist, "Hands Up Don't Shoot" sympathizer went on his murderous rampage deliberately murdering Christians.

    And the Left's "helpful" response? We have to make double sure these Christians are disarmed! Until the police showed up, no one else armed showed up, so I'd say you already accomplished your goal.
     
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    Then amend the Constitution.
     
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    http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...ercer-oregon-shooting-20151002-htmlstory.html

    The L.A. Times which Colbert probably reads said their 50 cents that a white supremacist did it. If this guy fits a profile of a white supremacist then lets label anyone we disagree with legally insane and any non-liberal carrying a gun a white supremacist and let another witch hunt begin. Then lets do the next sane thing and drop more guns on the cartels. Insane people should not own guns, but the definition of insanity should also extend to the liberals, and the L.A. Times who cannot tell a tail from a trunk are definitely insane yet many writing their insane exposes do own guns.
     
  17. In The Dark

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    Good point. Many of the mass killers have absent fathers. A huge chunk of all social pathologies can be traced to the deteriorating family.

    Thanks, Dems. This is on you.
     
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    No need.
     
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    :roflol: So having fathers who are gun worshippers makes a difference? NO.......but I know righty gun and death worshippers will ALWAYS blame someone else for their actions ....every mass killer does..... :)
     
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    You know, if every state had a background check on every sale, some of those people wouldn't have guns. That would certainly change the numbers.

    Thugs used to fist-fight. While that is still violent, it's not nearly as deadly as gun violence. Yes, violent people are going to be violent. That's nothing new. Violent people often get in trouble with the law and go to prison. When they get out, they are still violent and usually lose their right to a gun. However, with our gun laws, those people can still legally buy a gun. Gang shootings are back in business, at that point. Let's not pretend we are trying to limit violent people with guns using the gun laws adopted. Only a few states have actually made those laws, but they are circumvented by the ability of criminals to go to another state that doesn't and legally buy a gun.
     
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    Black mother = white supremacists to Progressives...
     
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    You cant have a back ground check for every sale. If i sold you a gun i can not do a back ground check on you. This is common sense stuff here but its beyond those who just scream "loophole".
     
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    You certainly can have a background check for every purchase, even individual sales, but you have to require it happen at the state level first. Then there are state mechanisms that let you get a background check on a potential buyer. That's the point. Some states require it and it has reduced gun crimes in those states. However, criminals can simply go to another state and buy a gun legally and then come back home with it. That keeps the statistics from being even better than they are. More states don't have universal background checks than do.

    I am one of those people that scream loophole, because I see it and have seen it and don't understand how others don't see it. One of the most frustrating things for us "loophole screamers" is that it's VERY hard to get a conversation going with those that would listen, because there is another side scared to death someone is going to take their guns away screaming "cold dead fingers" over the conversation. When the situation is explained, most people see it. That's why 87% of Americans want this kind of law. Not to get political about it, but I think that is what Obama was talking about when he said we have to make this political. The 87% have to start talking to their state lawmakers and get the loophole plugged. Until it happens in all 50 states, criminals will be able to legally purchase guns… despite NICS, despite law, despite background checks. Anything less is just pretending to do something about the problem, not actually doing something.
     
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    Name the states where i can do a back ground check on you considering i am not a license dealer.. Go ahead list them.
     

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