How Far From America Will The GOP Go?

No. Not so much, really. There is 'some' of that perhaps... but it is almost the CORE essence of today's Conservatives; they exhibit that at almost every turn.

 

It's not a debate. Laws do not mean most people support it and the fact is that most people do not support gay marriage.

 

It boils down to personal beliefs vs. the laws we must all live under; our rights (as defined by the same).

It's more than mere debate, but that component of it... really isn't worth revisiting.

 

As a member of the Reform Party I think the Democrats are way too far left and the Republicans way too far right from the majority of Americans who tend to be in the middle, center, center right and center left. I think members of either party can't see how far they have drifted to the left and right. I remember a time when there really wasn't that much difference between the two parties, when each had their liberal and conservative wings. When the vast majority of Americans could identify themselves with one of the two major parties. Not anymore.

Over the last 10-15 years the base of both parties have been shrinking and more and more Americans are now identifying themselves as independents or not Republican or Democratic. Back then according to Gallup 35% of the electorate said they were Democrats, 33% Republicans and 30% independents. Today or as of 13 September 2015, Gallup has it 27% Republican, 27% Democrat and 43% Independent.

When asked their opinion of the two major parties, the electorate as a whole has a 55-60% disapproval rating with the Democratic Party usually slightly less on the disapproval scale. There is nothing to be proud about in these numbers. But regardless the two major parties continue their drift to the left and right while leaving more and more Americans behind as their dedicated members continue to shrink. 27% of the electorate is the lowest ever the Democratic Party has been since these stats first started to be kept track of back in 1936. The Republicans have been lower than their present 27%, 21% back in 1976 24% back in 1964 and 2013.

After Watergate and Nixon's resignation in fact, the Democratic Party had 51% of the electorate. Since then they have fallen to 27%. The Republican Party has never been higher than 33% during all that time. That was in 2004 and in 2010.

 

I was responding to the poster that claimed most people support it. You are extending that on your own.

 

Here's the fascinating thing about this concept, the GOP just forced the Speaker of the House to resign. John Boehner actually used his position to stop Obama on every possible level, he refused to bring up bills for a vote knowing they would pass and any level of progress would be attributed to the President, he allowed votes to repeal the ACA over 50 times, he took every possible opportunity to bash every thing the President said or did, and his fellow congressmen not only did not appreciate his efforts, but they accused him of working "with" Obama!

Now, when your party becomes so extreme that every possible leader is spending all his time looking over his shoulder and wondering when his own party is going to stab him in the back, you have no control, no matter how many members of the GOP get in there. It's pure chaos, and it is like the tactics used by fantasy character such as Orcs, who constantly kill and replace their leaders with even more power hungry and greedy back-stabbers, over and over and over.There is no way a democracy can even function in that matter, but that is exactly why Republicans are failing on every level of their own agendas.

Republican officials don't even grasp the concept of majority vs. minority via democracy, they seem to think it's their God given right to take over by sheer will power even when they do not have the majority of the votes, so how will they even work together when they do get the majority? You see the massive flaw here? If you don't respect the system we have, then you don't have a system at all! You can't pass a bill if you don't have a majority to vote it through. You can't force people to vote differently by attaching some other bill to it and holding it hostage. You can't pass legislation if your own party is divided on everything except hating the President. The GOP is one massive failure whether they win or lose the elections.

Also, this is NOT the GOP of just half a century ago, it is completely reversed from what it was.

 

Okay. I may have.

 

Amen!! Right on point!!

 

He messed up by not counter-attacking and doing his best to crush the repubs after they proved (even before President Obama's taking office) that they had no interest in governing unless THEY were in charge and that they were willing not only to harm the United States but to lie, cheat, and steal in order to block any efforts/measures to mitigate the problems facing us. The repub party, as presently constituted, is sufficiently evil to make me seriously consider the validity of the concept of original sin.

 

This post is brilliant. A+

 

Official party affiliation vs an overarching predisposition to vote one way the another is not a significant differentiation, but pretending that the radicalization of the parties is comparable fails to capture the reality. E.g., moderate GOP politicians were once espousing sensible, comprehensive immigration reform, but have now gone over to the dark side to appease the Party's radicals. Many GOP pols persist in railing against the Affordable Care Act (a moderate Republican-initiated reform) despite most Americans preferring to see it improved rather than repealed. Most Americans support equality in marriage contracts whilst so many Republican politicians still rage against it.

Progress has happened, and the test of either Party's platform is the extent to which it continues to comport with the American populace in general, not some inflexible, timeless standard.

The rampant internal strife in the Republican Party is emblematic of the ideological strain within it, and is not reflected by their Democratic counterparts.

Individuals might perceive either or both sides of the duopoly drifting leftward, rightward or both, and imagine themselves paradigms of political constancy, but it's always a subjective perspective.

Republicans being out-of-step with the majority of Americans on so many issues portends their inevitable return to normalcy. Representative government demands it.


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All blessings to you and others so enlightened, but the right of the benighted to rage must also be respected for what it's worth.

 

"Federal gun control laws are enforced with greater racial disparities than any other crime, including drug crimes."

Democrats refuse to apologize for being the party of segregation, slavery and the KKK and now they want to pass laws that will jail addition black males by the multiple thousands.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/facile-quick-draw-responses-to-mass-murder/article/2573372

 

As if the Dems had any interest in actually governing when Bush was in charge except when Bush cheerfully surrendered.

And by the way that's why so many Americans don't vote. They still don't see sufficient difference between the Dems and Republicans. At least the Tea party has figured out that before you can fix things you have to quit screwing them up.

 

"before you can fix things you have to quit screwing them up."

Really? And just when are the repubs going to quit? Remember, doing so would involve getting rid of most of their platform, all of their recent efforts, and the tea party as a whole.

 

KUDOS for an excellent post---I nominate it for post of the year trophy!

 

'Gun Control' Is Actually Conservative Control

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/gun_control_is_actually_conservative_control.html

 

Oh, on the contrary---OBAMA got more people involved in voting & paying attention to politics than in recent history for the Presidential elections---now,however it is still a mystery why folks don't pay as much attention to mid-term state elections,so on that point I will agree with you--
I disagree with you on what the Tea-party has figured out,I don't think they have a clue as to how much harm they are causing our country,they have not mapped out a clear strategy,other than destroy,then what,they got nothing!!!!

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Oh, on the contrary---OBAMA got more people involved in voting & paying attention to politics than in recent history for the Presidential elections---now,however it is still a mystery why folks don't pay as much attention to mid-term state elections,so on that point I will agree with you--
I disagree with you on what the Tea-party has figured out,I don't think they have a clue as to how much harm they are causing our country,they have not mapped out a clear strategy,other than destroy,then what,they got nothing!!!!

 

Trump, Fiorina and Jeb Bush All Crushing Hillary in Iowa

Shellacked

http://www.scribd.com/doc/283708713...oll-Iowa-Annotated-Questionnaire-October-2015

That Hillary! Folks love her!

 

Ah, the usual fact free rant.

 

Dixiecrats and the Southern Strategy... what do you know about those?

People should understand... "CONSERVATIVES" (Democrat/Republican/other), have tended to be 'racist'.

We can repeat facts... sure. But that isn't the same thing as painting an accurate picture of WHAT IS.

 

He got more uniformed voters to do so just like Trump is now. We don't need more dumb voters.

 

That is SO TRUE!!!

 

1. I have pointed out in a previous topic that since Reagan was President the Republicans and Democrats have held the senate the exact same amount and the White House is only one more term for Republicans. But yet we're still complaining the Republicans are to blame for the rich privilege........right.

2. This one really gets me. Most of the major metropolitan cities in this country have been run by Democrats for decades.
New York City from 1973-1989 and then again from 2001 to present (depending on how you count Bloomberg)
Chicago from 1931 to present
Seattle from 1989 to present

New York State Governor - 1975-1994 and then again from 2007 to present
Illinois State Governor - 2003-2015
Washington State Governor - 1985 to present

So the Democratic part had control of those cities and the states those cities are in for that long and you STILL want to blame the Republicans........??????

WOW......just........WOW

 

They'll put another Conservative in the White House; for sure. And the proper combination of Supreme Court Justices and Congressmen... will likely cause this nation to crash/burn.

I just hope that it doesn't 'burn' completely.