Is homosexuality "normal"?

The gay (now morphed into LGBT) movement does want to eradicate religion. Christianity has been their nemesis for decades, the black heart of the LGBT movement is obsessed with revenge on Christianity. They want to eradicate religion from the public square - from political discourse, business activities, education (even as an objective philosophical subject), public interaction of any kind. The gays want to remove all intentional and accidental interaction with religion so that they can go about their lives and never see a hint that religion exists. Gays want religious people in the closet.

 

You're saying the amount of facial hair a man has is a choice? If one wants to grow a thick beard every day all he has to do is want it? Or if a man doesn't want a beard and to never shave he can wish for his beard to not grow?
How about body hair?
The depth of a man's voice is his choice?
Surely you jest.

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Please do show how gays want to remove all interaction with religion.

BTW - Why has christianity been their nemesis? What has christianity done?

 

homosexuality is a defect
it serves no purpose in the natural word
it does nothing to advance or adds to the survival of any species
as a matter of fact if homosexuality becomes to great of a number in any species it could be determent to that species
everything a species does is based on two things survival and procreation and homosexuality is counter to both
it is a defect

 

One could argue, using the same logic as you, that heterosexuality is a defect and that it serves no purpose in the natural world (the act of insemination does not require heterosexual orientation).

 

When you say "gay people" it reads to many as being inclusive of all gay people and I assure you all gay people are not against religions. Some of the most devout Christians I know, my partner included, are homosexual or bisexual. You might argue that they are not true Christians but they live, what I would consider, a more Christian life (teachings of Jesus) than many of the hate consumed christofacists on the board have ever fathomed.

I very much like this Jesus person and his teachings - but I despise the people that believe their hate and discrimination are done in his name. The people that have turned followers away from the lord due to their hate have blood on their hands according to the bible. The gays that do want religion removed are a direct result of the assault on them in the name of religion, an expected outcome.

 

heterosexuality is the default mode it has to be other wise no species would ever survive
true homosexuality does not I repeat does not have sex with the opposite sex
true homosexuals do not procreate there for a defect an undesirable trait
it does nothing for the advancement or survival of any species
homosexuality is a disorder

 

Homosexuals absolutely do procreate. So you are wrong.

 

artificially or by violating their homosexuality

 

Violating their homosexuality? It isn't a contract.

 

Your acting like a little kid. It's only obvious what is choice and what is not. If somebody is attracted to a horse, does not mean that it is ok to have sex with the horse. However that person would have a choice.
Therefore being gay is a choice. Sex before marriage is a choice. Masturbation is a choice. Actions we take are a choice. So when I said everything is a choice, I guess I should have known I was talking to a 10 year old.

 

Homosexuality is the attraction to the same sex. That is what is ment when somebody says they are homosexual, and that is not a choice.

I suppose one could be celebrate plenty of people do. A gay person also can marry a person of the opposite sex, but that seems very selfish.

None of that makes them heterosexual.

Further hetersexuality is a sin as well. Being attracted to anybody but your spouse is adultery based on the words of Jesus himself. Matthew 5:27-28.

 

Look at it from other perspective. What did Phil Robertson do to cause the gay mob to target him, denigrate and threaten him and his family, and try to have his family's show (Duck Dynasty) removed from tv? In an interview, when asked about homosexuality, he made "anti-gay remarks". He said he prefers women, that homosexuality is a sin. In the same statement he also said adultery and heterosexual promiscuity are also sins.

Robertson did not discriminate in hiring or pay, he did not physically attack anyone, he did not threaten anyone, he just stated his opinion when asked for that opinion. Free speech, free religion - but because it was "anti-gay" he was targeted for destruction.

His "anti-heterosexual" comments were not targeted, just the "anti-gay" comments.

Gays hate Christianity because homosexuality is a sin in Christian ideology, Christians dare to say that what gays are doing is wrong and gays can't stand it.

 

To counter your argument, I will use the same argument I use for Muslims. There are maybe 300,000 fanatic Islamic jiadists in the world butchering, torturing and raping their way across Asia and North Africa, and now Europe. The Muslim apologists say they are 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world and that they are peace loving and want to live side-by-side with everyone else, and we should judge Islam based on those roughly 1.5B peaceful Muslims not the relative handful who are in a jihad.

But those 1.5B peaceful Muslims are silent, they are not actively protecting and fighting to stop the handful of jihadists who are giving their Islam a bad name - those 1.5B sit on the sidelines and are worthless. As in every organization, the small handful of die-hard activists (the jihadists) are driving the entire agenda. At best those 1.5B by their silence share in the crimes of the jihadists, they are tarred by the same brush.

Its the same with the LGBT crowd. The activists drive the agenda to impose their hatred, the rest sit idle and watch it happen, or even deny its happening. They are all guilty by association and silence.

The New Testament is clear, homosexuality is a sin. By extension, gay marriage is not only a sin but an abomination because it seeks to make a sin (homosexuality) a social institution. Are you going to rewrite the Bible?

The founding document of Christianity is the New Testament. You have to go there and read it all to understand the religion and the actions of Christians. Until you read and understand (not accept but understand) then you do not know whether any person is being true to Jesus or not.

 

Okay, I will. A conspiracy that you can't point to its existence, or even name names did not do anything.

Interesting perspective, imaginary things are imaginary, fascinating.

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But not a thing happened to him. So the thing targeting him must only exist in imaginations of people with persecution complexes.

And your imaginary boogeyman did nothing to him.

I am gay and I don't hate Christianity, in fact I am Christian

Gays don't hate you, they hate your opinions. Your opinions are not you. I know you have to pretend they hate you so you can play victim. And claim that if we as a nation aren't allowed to discriminate against homosexuals it will bring about the end of the republic.

Sorry, nothing happened to Phil Robertson. So he isn't a martyr.

 

To participate in a given sexual act (or not), is indeed a choice.

And WHY is that? It is because the horse (or other 'animal') cannot 'legally' consent. Most people rightly possess an aversion to such behavior.

Again, acts are choices... attractions are not. People are not straight/gay, simply because they WANT (or choose) to be. Even a bisexual is "bisexual"... but either choice of sexual activity (between male or female) can be satisfying (and legally consensual) for them.

That comment... I and millions of others know that it means something other than what you seem to think it does.

People DO NOT choose their sexual-orientation. If you really think/believe that to NOT be so, please prove it to be untrue. And current scientific research/data is not leaning anywhere near the (unfounded) conclusion you state with such great 'certitude'.

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And I've noticed that some people are heavily into attacking their fellow interlocutors, when they discuss things.

Everything isn't a choice. And yes, we can control our sexual behavior... not so much our sexual attractions. That is reality.

 

When gay people start killing others in the name of homosexuality let me know.
The same could be said for Christianiaty using your counter argument, there are mass killings (of both gays and the general population) in the name of Christinity. Do you feel Christians are guilty of "association" -- Especially when you see that some prominent American "Christians" have lobbied these countries for the passage of such laws.

Again - I don't care what religion you wake up one day and make the conscious decision to make. When you attempt to impose those beliefs on others - especially if you operate in the public sphere - expect some pushback. I believe Jesus, the son of God version, is a fictional character - so no one can be "true" to him.

Among all the verses "true Christians" choose to ignore my favorite:

 

Not a thing happened to him? Wow, do some research before commenting so ignorantly. At least google it, or is it too much to ask that pro-gay people be objective and honest?

 

I guess it's a sign you are losing in your mind. You need to start your post with an attack.
A horse? Who's acting like a kid. Can you even be factual or just have a need to post on emotion.

You know the femininity or masculinity of a male is not a choice. Just like one's sexual preference. And you can't admit it.
Masterbation is a choice. Are you now going to claim it is wrong?

And I won't report your personal attacks, because I want everyone to see how you act when your claims have been refuted and you feel you've lost.

 

Do adulterers hate christianity. You know, those in 2nd or more marriages? Are they attacked or have been attacked by christians?
Why not, there are far far far more of them than gay people.
You of course are in your 1 and only marriage.

How is the duck dynasty story related to this topic. Just another anecdotal piece. I bet I could give you thousands where christians have done much damage, I'd even say killed a gay person.

 

Killing was not the point - the silence of the majority while the minority committed their abuses makes the majority complicit in the abuse.

"It has been said that for evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing." If there are gays who oppose the attack on religion and free speech, then they are very silent, and by their silence and "do nothing" attitude, they share in the blame.

Then you should understand perfectly the backlash against the gay/LGBT community.

If you mean that you want all Christians to just go away - to stay in the closet - so that you don't have to see or hear or encounter any sign that Christianity exists, then you just proved my point.

 

I've refuted 2 people on your abomination claim already. Please do cite the bible verse(s) proving this claim of yours. You can't. What does the bible say about constantly lying about one's position?

 

You have raised this subject before, read the old threads. But to recap, adultery is a sin, Christians are taught not to commit adultery, those that do are counseled to stop and repent, there is a Biblical process for working with them, if the adulterer chooses adultery over God then they can be ostracized until they stop sinning.

Read the previous posts before jumping into the middle of a conversation and commenting.

Are you claiming that because Christians did something bad then its OK for gays to do something bad?

Are you claiming that gays morality is simple revenge? Thanks for proving my point.

 

No, you tell me what happened to him, more than he almost got destroyed.

I don't think there was a snowball's chance in hell of him getting destroyed. He was a main character on the number one rated cable television show.

He didn't get fired. So what happened to him?

It seems you are always at a loss to back up your claims of this gay conspiracy that is out to get you.

You tell me what happened to him.

 

The vast majority of the "backlash against gays" is by individuals that have always been anti-gay.
Keep in mind the supporters of gay rights has been steadily increasing - so they are not losing support due to a few militant examples.

I don't want Christians to go away, I want them to accept reality and realize that they do not hold the key to morality. I am fine with them living their lives (even shoving it in my face) but every day I hear about gays pushing their sexuality in "Christians" faces because they dare to serve in the military or have photos of their partner on their desk at work -- All I the same time I have to see the continual barrage of God billboards & hear Christian talk radio and music on a third of the radio.

 

No they aren't, they are taught that adultery is good and natural. Remember Jesus said looking at someone lustful is adultery. Matthew chapter 5:27-28.

All you post is vague conspiracy theories about an imaginary gay mafia that you can't even name names of. Nobody should read any of your previous posts unless they need a good laugh or to know who to mock.

Get ready to see a dodge, what gays?

You can run from it but your claims are baseless hatred until you say which gays are out for revenge.


This is a conspiracy theory based in your emotional state. You are going that people see you as a victim. This crap doesn't work. All it does is convince other people to post lazy nonsensical non arguments.

Please don't ever stop posting this hilarious crap, you stand as a better argument against your position than I ever could.