"We are all Muslim", or "We are Charlie"....which do you choose?

Apparently I am. Who knew!?

 

One mans morality is another mans immorality.

According to Islam

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 26: Narrated Abu Huraira*)
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

According to Christianity

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments

 

Kind of expected level of response since the term I was using was the term the OP used. Dismissed.

 

I would say that the question is the same false choice that Daesh and its allies offer to those they conquer.

 

So what was the deal-breaker for you being ok with Islam (you're not, of course)? Was it Mohammad saying that women are "deficient in intelligence", or Q4:34 which says to beat women, or was it Mohammad's approval of sex with captives ("what your right hand possesses")? What?

 

Jihad is the #2 best deed in Islam, yes, great point. Obama should read the Islamic texts!

Regarding your white-washing of the barbarity of the Christian god, however: God ordered his homie Moses to kill all the women and children (he was even so warped to say kill all the innocent livestock) one time, so Christianity is not about love only, but also about killing and slaughter and hating those that think differently than this invisible friend in the sky. Pretty twisted, we can agree.

 

Yes, if the main book written about me (say people wrote a book about me) said, in multiple places (because they really really meant it) to kill innocent people (gays) then because I'm moral I'd condemn that so much that they'd be shamed to put or keep that in the book. Even if it took 2000 years I'd keep on them until it was not brought forward, or put in in the first place. Jesus, however, is not moral enough, or not real enough, to do that of course. He's immoral, or a legend, either way he's not worth worshipping of course.

 

But isn't mass murder at a concert and flying planes into buildings freedom of expression for Muslims? Don't they have rights?

 

I find the Islamic religion to be very 12th century - it's not just how women are treated, it's not just the barbarity, or the honor killings, or the hypocrisy it's the lack of a reformation, it's impetus to be brain washed, it's the tendency to violence in the name of God, it's the raising of their children to honor suicide bombers and murderers. I just find it not just repulsive but downright evil. It literally is a death cult for many.... such acts and views dehumanize them because in many ways they dehumanize themselves.

I studied Islam on my own when I was in my 20's - the Quran is not that bad - very much like the Old Testament but it's bastardized by the Hadith and Sharia Laws - those Imams who bastardized it through history turned it into a death cult. Islam needs a reformation and a cleansing - then maybe I'll start thinking better of it and those who follow it.

 

Whoa there, hold on!! It's more like very 7th century!! It's not nearly as modern as the 12th century!! You give it way way too much credit.

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Wow, THAT bad huh? Ouch. No WONDER we're in the start of WWIII right now.

 

So if I decide to punish your, say, mother, for, say, having sex outside marriage, you're perfectly fine if I stone her to death because that's what Mohammad said to do? And if you get a step dad who follows Qur'an 4:34 and beats your mother (well, before I stone her to death that is) you're ok with that as well, eh, seeing how it's "not that bad"? Am I reading you correctly?

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Is The Islamic State following the Islamic texts as you understand those texts to be?

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I believe in religious freedom so yes, they can express themselves in that manner.

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But Obama calls it a religion of peace and one of the world's great religions. Who is wrong, you or Obama?

 

There you did it again. Answer the question consistent with your premise, or else

 

Stoning happened in the Old Testament as well. For example:

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."


I'm a Christian but I would not be okay with my neighbor being killed by the "Bible Police" because Deuteronomy said so. I'm not a Muslim so I wouldn't be okay because the Quran said it either. So how's the old testament any better than the Quran?

The Islamic state and it's followers are brainwashed idiots who have been told many things by their Islamic leaders which are meant to be lessons, which are meant to be taught but not followed and acted upon because the Bible or the Quran said so. Those who do act are extremists, be they Christians, Muslims, Wiccans or anything else.

 

Obama's a moron and wrong about nearly everything.... he lectures out of stupidity and ignorance.

 

I'm certainly NOT Moose Slime. I'm NOT a socialist Frenchman, so I'm certainly NOT Charlie.
You didn't make any room in your choices for FREE MEN. That I am. Indeed, by my actions, habits, friends, beliefs and by my history of all of those things, I am an AMERICAN. You didn't leave room for that, either. That's OK. I'm a REAL American. I'll make room.

 

"I wasn't disputing his use of the term and was instead disputing your..." use of the same term, to which you seem to ascribe a different meaning. Thus my comment

 

Amen. There are very few free men left. So many men never grew up and depend on big brother government to wipe their butt for them. And many more men are part of the Islamic death cult, raping and killing six year old girls.

 

IMHO, "Charlie" is a juvenile irresponsible abuse of free expression … (along with guys like Salman Rushdie, for whom I have zero respect …)

OTOH, I personally know many fine beautiful kind peaceful Muslim people who are hurt by pointless hate speech …

So, I am a Muslim ...

 

Revealing that you reserve your disdain for Christianity. AND Christians have the new testament.

"For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way."

“... but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”

 

Revealing that you characterize the assasination of the Charlie workers as a juvenile irresponsible abuse of free expression while words critical of Islam you view as hate.

 

Agreed - yes, all the Abrahamic faiths are barbaric. It's hard for me to conceive of me still following one of those faiths.

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A barbaric belief system written by barbarians followed by people who accept barbarism. Christianity is pretty barbaric all around (in all fairness the other Abrahamic superstitions/religions are as well.)

 

As he continues to run interference for Islam, more and more people are starting to believe that he may be a closet Muslim. His statement of "my Muslim faith", which of course he quickly corrected, is becoming more and more troubling, as his constant denial of the religious motivation of the Jihadists could prove deadly for this country. Like if FDR had said "Nazism has NOTHING to do with Hitler's actions, Nazism is a peaceful belief system!!"

 

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I am NOT Charlie Hebdo. It's tragic he was killed in a terrorist attack but the man was a pig, the human equivalent the Westboro church.

I am not nor will ever consider myself a Muslim, not even in the most figurative way.
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So ask those Muslims if they will condemn Mohammad for saying "I have been made victorious through terror". Please do, and then tell us their response. A response other than "yes, I condemn him for saying that" is not what's best for the world, of course. If we won't draw the moral line, and condemn someone who says "I have been made victorious through terror", then we can't claim to be moral people.

Salmon Rushdie just wrote WORDS, and yet millions of Muslims, including the former Cat Stevens, approve of the barbaric Islamic death fatwa put on his head. Freedom of expression trumps freedom to believe in superstitions.

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In this WWIII, like in WWII, you are going to have to choose a side....which side, Charlie or Mohammad, do you choose?

 

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That's a false dichotomy.