The basic principles of Maoism

But in the Communist regimes, ownership was in the hands of the very, very few. That's how bureaucracies work. As a Fascist-Technocrat, I hide no illusion that I want government centralized and focused on key points. I think having a "society of pillars" is much better than "every man for himself" and will generate much more freedom. Accepting our limitations is the first step to liberating ourselves from social bondage IMO.

And you're exactly right that modern-day politics is focused on "now"(or at best, a wailing of the past) instead of moving forward.

 

Please go to our massive prison population, our homeless, our poor, and tell them about how much capitalism is working for America.

When you say that capitalism is working, what you really mean is that it's working for the ruling class.

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Controlled opposition.

 

Our system works.

This is why since Nixon visited Red China we put in place a plan to turn Communist Red China into the China that exists today.

And if you REALLY want to see poverty and hopelessness upon a massive level....spend some time in Rural China where the Chinese Communist Party does not want foreigners to go.

I have been there into such areas.

Poverty is stunning, famine and disease!!

AboveAlpha

 

It's an ideology of control and oppression. That's all anyone really needs to know.

 

China was never MLM, and it abandoned Mao Zedong thought long ago. Not relevant.

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Why do I put effort into trying with you people?

 

What is relevant is China is using our Business Models....CAPITALISM.

Communist does not work as it goes against Human Nature.

AboveAlpha

 

The Beatles......Well, you know. You'd better free your mind instead. But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.

Enough said!

AboveAlpha

 

The chinese people are suffering for it. The rural population and the average industrial worker are once again crushed under the capitalist heel.

Human nature is dictated by human conditions.

 

Those problems are minor compared to other countries and compared to history, and you are not looking at the good things. The good clearly outweighs the bad in the US, yet you want to throw everything away. That is reckless.

 

Maoism in its very essence is a form of Chinese nationalism with a strong Confucian flavor. Sorry but, you are too white for a Maoist. Better eat 10 bowls of white rice straight first.

 

If Communists spent as much time explaining their theory as they did saying it was too complicated for people to understand, they'd probably have their utopia by now

Let's not get too ahead of ourselves, a charge of slavery indicates some property right, at least the right to exclude the use of your body by others. I would be most interested in a discussion starting from scratch with no assumptions, where we build up these entitlements from scratch.

So I will begin - why ought people have the right to exclude others from the use of their bodies? Presumably you also acknowledge the right of people to trade or dispose of their body at will (excluding their labor, which we will get to once this basic entitlement is dealt with).

Should I be able to sell my sex? (Not that women would pay )

Feel free to ask me similar questions.

 

the problem I have with communism in its various forms is that it is antithetical to human nature.
It cannot be maintained without the ideology being completely corrupted by those who attain power within it.

Nice in theory, horrible in practice. As repeated bloody failures have demonstrated.

 

All of the "good" in the US depends upon the evils of capitalism being exploited elsewhere. We export that suffering to the third world, and we make them produce to support our lifestyle. We never made things better after the gilded age, we just made them hidden.

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That's the cliche everyone who read Animal Farm once spouts, which is exactly why it's so aggravating.

"Human Nature" as a universalized metaphysical concept is a myth. Human beings behave differently depending on our circumstances.

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Marxism-Leninism-Maoism was actually first theorized in South America in the 90s.

 

I cannot agree more with your critique of capitalism, however, I dislike the authoritarian bent that most maoist/leninist governments take on. They are just as horrible for the people as unfettered capitalism.

 

I do agree that humans can behave differently depending on all kinds of factors. But we are not talking about an individual circumstance, we are talking about the creation and maintenance of a governing institution that is subject to all of those individual circumstances and hence is ripe for corruption. As has been and is being demonstrated today.

Oh no it isn't at all a metaphysical concept. It is a biological concept.
The underlying motivations for most human behavior can be traced to hormonal responses and triggers.

It is our sapience that enables humans to overcome such base reactions and motivations, but our sapience does not eliminate base behaviors like "fight or flight" or sexual responses or greed or power seeking or protecting our young and the like.

 

And the abhorrent CONDITIONS existing in rural China have been brought about by Maoist Communist Concepts that have FAILED MISERABLY!!!

If China had not been steered in the direction of Capitalism by Kissinger and Nixon back when Nixon went to Red China.....there would be death, famine and poverty on an unimaginable level in China right now!!


ONLY.....ONLY CAPITALISM and a CAPITALIST MODEL were able to enable the Chinese to save their nation from Maoist Ideology!!

This is a FACT that just about every single Chinese Student in PRIVATE...as they still fear what the Chinese Communist Party might do if their existence is threatened and believe me it IS....every Chinese Student will tell you the MODEL of CHINA they want is the identical model so detailed in the U.S. CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS.

The Chinese Students agree that the U.S. Constitution is without a doubt the single most important document ever developed in HUMAN HISTORY!!

AboveAlpha

 

All people have the same base instincts unless they are a Psychopath. Sociopath or Mentally Unstable.

NO ONE will study and train for DECADES to become a Neurosurgeon just so they can make the same money as the SLACKER NEXT DOOR who's job it is to say..."WELCOME TO WALMART!".....as their job is to be a GREETER!!

This is why any aspect of Maoist Ideology or Communism is a LIE!!!

It doesn't work as it goes against HUMAN NATURE!!

AboveAlpha

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MEET THE NEW BOSS!! SAME AS THE OLD BOSS!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Democratic socialism is the middle ground

 

Unfortunately threads like this get little actual debate or attention because people believe that their prevalent, mainstream ideas preclude any need for thought or debate. It's to be expected and I'm not sure how discourse can change outside of something that collapses prevalent political worldviews in the west. These collapsing events or 'disasters' can't really be r planned for. They eventually happen, however, and ideas and discourse change as a result. For the time being our "radical" brand of political philosophy amounts to pissing into the wind as far as public discourse and debate is concerned.

 

Given that your post read elitism into his, I would argue that the fault of intellectual resentment can be found in your post as opposed to elitism in the Opening Post. Explaining an ideology isn't elitist. Its actually quite the opposite, if you give it a little thought. Heaven forbid that people have thoughts on political philosophy that have any complexity at all.

Further, Marxism a multifaceted political philosophy. Don't act like "it ain't no Hegel". Marx arises very much in response and reaction to Hegelian thought. Furthermore, Hegel's philosophy was a grand unifying theory and not just political.

 

why do you deny the obvious?
Why do you peddle excuses for a 100% failure rate?
Slap as many labels on yourself as you need too, but that makes you nothing less than a strap hanger onto a failed ideology.

 

Have no problem with complexity, just the attitude towards that, as if the common man cannot grasp the ideas. Most philosophical ideas can be made understandable.

As for Hegel - he strongly influenced Marx. I only used him as an example of a writer who is very difficult to understand.

 

Where is the elitism in the opening post, though? Am I missing it?

 

The Middle Ground is to be a FISCAL CONSERVATIVE who is also SOCIALLY LIBERAL!!!

Business is Business and the moment anyone screws with any model specifically designed to work such as ROMNEY CARE....was designed to work as a SPECIFIC BUSINESS PLAN...and it worked extremely well as I am WEALTHY and I am from Mass. and MY PAYMENTS WENT DOWN!!!

But they started TWEAKING with Romney Care and that is when we get problems!!!

It is a FACT that no one in the United States can be refused Ambulance Services.

It is a FACT that no one in the U.S. can be refused Emergency Room Services.

It is a FACT that because of these 2 other laws anyone who did not have insurance would bring their kid into a Hospitals ER for a case of the Sniffles!!!

It is also a FACT in the U.S. that the States and Federal Government must pay back the Hospitals and Ambulance Companies for any unpaid bills usually garnished due to people who did not have INSURANCE.

Mitt Romney brought in the best and brightest and developed a PLAN that saved the Sate of Massachusetts BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR while at the same time providing UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE TO ALL!!

Because it is a FACT.....it cost more for the State and Federal Government to pay all Uninsured ER Visits and Uninsured Ambulance Company Usage than it costs the smaller amount to pay for UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!!!

And it is a FACT that National Universal Healthcare in the U.S. costs less money to run than the cost of payments from the states and feds to pay for unpaid ER and Ambulance Care!!!

IT WORKS!!!

So...despite the facts being in RED AND BLACK......why do some people ignore these fats???

AboveAlpha

 

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AboveAlpha...p.s...JOWWY GWOOD!!