If One Part of the Bible is Wrong, All of it Has to be Wrong

Eusebius objected to the inclusion of Revelations.

http://dqhall.com/revelation/

 

Why do you always capitalize the common noun "reality". Do you have a special and secret definition for it? If so, please provide it (that helps conversation). If not, just say so.

Thanks.

 

It is disturbing to me that most highly religious people have no knowledge of how their religious books were put together.

AA

 

If A is a member of set {A, B, C, D, E} and A is false, it does not mean that B, C, D, or E are .

 

And in most cases, they rely upon other men to tell them what is in those books and what it all means

 

Yeah...that is pathetic.

What happened to people thinking for themselves?

AA

 

Many of these rules were quite sensible rules given the time in which they were supposed to have been kept. Many were simply rules handed down by earlier civilisations.

Lies
Most of these are simply taken out of context or attributed to Jahweh when they were said by other people. The sayings of Jesus I ignore because they are contaminated by Christianity.

he contradictions I ignore because there are contradictions undoubtedly and errors in translations. But some contradictions must be looked at in the context of passages.

I'm agnostic, by the way.

 

The all or nothing argument is always a fallacy; it's like saying if you take a bite from an apple it's not an apple any more.

Even if one truly believed biblical words came "directly from the mouth of God" there has been a good deal of human handling of the Bible...and humans wrote it. Additionally, I have never heard any claims that the Bible was produced through unconscious, automatic writing. It was written by many different individuals, some historians and some poets, some tellers of myths, etc etc.

The true ''Word of God" is Creation itself.

 

This is disturbing. What is also disturbing is the degree of mind bending and mind twisting denial and avoidance some will engage in when the facts conflict with cult doctrine.

Having a friend that was abducted into one of these cults long ago, I spent some time studying the kind of mind control techniques some of these cults use... powerful stuff with far reaching implications.

 

You realize that in 380 AD, the canonization to which you have been referring was set down,... but Eusebius had died in 340 AD?

Eusebius of Caesarea (/juːˈsiːbiəs/; Greek: Εὐσέβιος, Eusébios; ad 260 – 340), also known as Eusebius Pamphili, was a Roman historian...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius

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Reality is a thing which unfolds moment by moment.
The realities which have already occurred,... we call Truth.

 

Neuroscience would disagree with you. What you call "Truth" is only what you perceive to be reality. Everything you perceive is filtered through your limited human senses and limited human mind.

 

well it is from the mouth of God but he used his followers to write his words it was not unconscious or automatic. And I suppose we could go into a very grueling and very long debate for the validity of the bible but I see nothing good coming from it, besides I didn't come here to prove my views and my beliefs nor did I come for heated debates.
Believe me the whole debate of the validity and the origin of the bible is a never ending and very unproductive debate nothing good ever comes from it.

 

What does this have to do with Dionysius- Bishop of Alexandria in 260AD - and others, saying Revelations was a forgery ?

That 55 years later the Church was trying to hide its past and re-write and destroy past history to try and establish credibility has little bearing on reality.

 

I don't understand why people believe in such superstitious ideas as religion. However, the Bible is an important work of literature, even if it is largely fiction. Works of fiction can have great societal importance, and the Bible falls into that category. I would recommend that every educated person read the Bible. Just don't believe everything you read. (That may also apply to this post).

 

Yes,...
And their technique is to respect the oldest ideas first, strange as it is when we examine it.

 

The ideas only seem stupid,... because they are the "old ideas."

Church people pass down what their forefathers said the Bible was about.
You are fighting dead peoples' opinions from centuries ago.

 

The oldest ideas predate the Bible by several million years.

AA

 

Yes we do often claim to be thinking something we believe is true.
But what is true remains true in spite of our errors.

We hold opinions we assume to be true.

In Mathematics, the Twelve Field Postulates are all assumptions we think are true,... hence the word Postulates.
And we build upon those 12 postulates the whole of our Mathematics.
So, in that sense, unless Gen 1:26 is correct, saying that we have been made such that Reality and Truth are imaged inside of our mind,... then we are just insane people who don't live in Reality, at all.

 

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You don't know that Revelation has been found among the documents of the Jewish Essene?
Revelation was actually written @ 200 years before Jesus appeared.
It was a Hebrew prophecy, written in Hebrew.
It is now studied by the Rabbi as an important item of prophecy.

 

Perhaps...
We have few documents older than 1360 BC though.

But my point was that the Bible interpreters cling to the oldest ideas about what the Bible means.

For example, the earliest readers assumed that six, 24 hour long, days timed out the first six days of creation.
But that had to be wrong, because until "Day" 4, there was no Earthly clock, yet.

The Hebrew word used was yowm.
It actually means any duration of time,... including ages, or days, or pats of a day, etc.

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Every part of the Bible makes enormous sense,... in spite that many readers can not grasp what it says.

 

Well as I have said the Bible should never be taken literally.

AA

 

Giftedone:
Eusebius objected to the inclusion of Revelations.

http://dqhall.com/revelation/

cupid dave:
You realize that in 380 AD, the canonization to which you have been referring was set down,... but Eusebius had died in 340 AD?

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What about the amazing statement 3360 years ago that the universe did have a beginning???
Was that literal...?

 

That is really not that amazing considering human's perceive time in a linear fashion but in reality time actually Space-Time and it run's concurrent.

So they were wrong.

AA

 

Hmmm,...
But you seem unable to recognize what the Bible actually means, while you still act as if you do know.

The NT is about people exactly like you.
They opposed Jesus,... who correctly said the whole Roman World would convert to his case.

 

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Until Hubble found evidence @ 1940, scientists were all sure that the Universe had always been there.
The Bible said otherwise.

Then, in Gen 1:9, we read of a Pangaea type condition where "all the water under heaven is collected into one place,"... which is the description of the ocean around Pangaea.