'30 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Days, 'terror attack'

You're quite funny. I've seen you accuse people for nazi scum, and now you're behaving like one yourself. You have to choose which camp you're in friend. You can't have both.

 

Islam is an ideology and one which is anti-Semitic, homophobic, supremacist, totalitarian, misogynistic, and theocratic.

How exactly does it differ from Nazism exactly? I'm not an SJW I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) that most of its adherents are brown not white, but apparently you do.

 

France has a long and oppressive history in North Africa. It is not pure coincidence that these things happen in France more than other countries.
It also no coincidence that they usually grew up in France.

 

Burn the Muslims right, burn em all

 

Ummmm, no, he's behaving like members of the Allied Powers in WWII wanting to drive off the Nazis. Liberals have become so PC that it has become impossible for them to detect enemies to our way of life.

 

Much much more like the Nazis blaming all Muslims for the actions in this instance of as far as we know a petty criminal.

 

CIA takes the revenge of Texas.

 

Obama has "strongly condemned" the incident in France. Ha! That will show them.

Now we need a strongly worded letter.

 

Finally.

 

You fight a war against a dead petty criminal. We know that your war on terrorism has only increased it a million fold. What is this? Is it a call for genocide?

 

If we fight on the ground and lose those troops ISIS will call it a victory and use it to declare that the prophesy legitimizing them has been fulfilled. They will then use this legitimization to call for an all-out jihad by all of Islam.

All this does is show that Clinton is a warmonger. A conventional war is not going to "win" against guerrillas and she knows it. She is just distancing herself from the O, who started ISIS in the first place to take out Assad.

 

If I were running things there would never have been a "war on terrorism" in the first place, because we would never have been so careless of who we allowed into this country.

Expelling people from a country they do not belong in is not genocide, by the way.

 

You must not have read the first few posts in this thread, in which it was clearly established that the driver was aiming for groups of pedestrians in order to harm as many as possible.

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Please stop oversimplifying all our discussions in here as being due to Nazithought.

 

No. There are Muslim sects that ate totally OK. We need to see that the wrong sects stop establishing themselves in the US. Saudi is subsidizing their Mosques and we need a President that will put a stop to that (Hillary won't, as the Saudis own her).

 

It has always been my impression that France was never as oppressive as England, as the French were less racist.

 

RIP to all the innocent people that die each day all over the world ..

Terrorism is a condemnable, immoral activity, no matter where and when it occurs and no matter who perpetrates it. Acts of terrorism perpetrated by a "state" are equally (if not more) condemnable as acts of terrorism perpetrated by religious extremists. All human life has equal value. A French (or an American) life is NOT worth more than an Iraqi, Syrian, Afghan or Pakistani life.





I have noticed that "Israel" is brought into discussion in every other thread on this forum. Seems like this Forum, like many other online fora, has its fair share of paid Zionist propagandists ...

 

That was not the point. I am not denying that he wanted fame as a terrorist. Whether that was because relations of his had been killed in the ME or just his low self esteem wanting to go out in a blaze I do not know. However we do know he was a petty and violent criminal so possibly without much to make him think life is worth living. As far as I can remember most of the Western terrorism has been committed by people who either suffer mental health problems or are petty criminals (the British being an exception). No I am not denying that this man wanted to terrify people and no doubt what has happened in the ME was his justification.

My argument was about blaming all Muslims for the actions of this sick man. Given the choice which was given as to whether it is PC not to blame all Muslims or Nazi to blame all which is what was being done, then clearly the Nazi position is to blame all Muslims for the actions of this sicko. That is what the Nazi's did. For instance after the killing of Ernst von Rath, by a Jew in France the Nazis blamed all Jews for it and engaged in Kristallnacht. That is the thinking which is going on here - blame all Muslims for the action of this violent petty criminal. The reaction to be a bloodbath in the ME. There is no question that there is a resurgence of far right thinking in the West and this collective blaming and desire for collective punishment is a very clear indication of that. This has not stopped Muslim terrorism. Even creating failed states in the middle east has only increased it 100 fold.

The collective blaming of all Muslims for the action of this man was correctly equated with someone dissing people saying they are Nazi scum. You must be blind if you do not see that there is no difference whether you collectively blame Jews or Muslims, whether you stereotype Jews or Muslims. It is exactly the same action. To complain about one and do the other is what was being confronted.

 

Even if that is the case it doesn't change the fact that they oppressed people and were quite violent in North Africa. It is a history that can be exploited quite easily to radicalise disenfranchised French Muslims as we can see lately.

 

WTF do you think they're doing now? Maybe we can get them to surrender to a drone? Assad and Russia sure as hell aren't fighting them they're brokering their (*)(*)(*)(*)ing oil.

Allthough his premature withdrawal from Iraq didn't help Obama didn't create ISIL Assad on the other hand gave them shelter in Eastern Syria while the US was killing its leadership and its membership since 2004 when they were still AQI.

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Ya you're really thoughtful of the French people when you already blamed France before the bodies were even cold.

 

No you fight a war against a global Islamic movement hell bent on the destruction and subjugation of dar al Harb and conducting war crimes nearly every single day with major attacks nearly every single month in every corner of the globe from Nairobi to Baga to Aleppo to Mosul to Istanbul to Bangladesh to Mumbai to Jakarta to Tubigan to San Bernardino to Dallas to Arlington to Orlando to NYC to Quebec to Toronto to Ottawa to Calgary to Tel Aviv to Jerusalem to Glasgow to London to Brussels to Montauban to Toulouse to Nice to Paris to Copenhagen to Frankfurt to Stockholm to Burgas to Moscow.

 

Oh spare me these war crimes are committed by the global Jihadist movement nearly every single day with major attacks nearly every single month in every corner of the globe from Nairobi to Baga to Aleppo to Mosul to Istanbul to Bangladesh to Mumbai to Jakarta to Tubigan to San Bernardino to Dallas to Arlington to Orlando to NYC to Quebec to Toronto to Ottawa to Calgary to Tel Aviv to Jerusalem to Glasgow to London to Brussels to Montauban to Toulouse to Nice to Paris to Copenhagen to Frankfurt to Stockholm to Burgas to Moscow.

 

And somehow the majority in Europe seem to happen in France. Perpetrated by disenfranchised French Muslims from former colonies.
You want to create a narrative based on your own fantasies go ahead.

 

Don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing talk about me like I'm not in the room.

Islam as a non-secular ideology is violent, misogynistic, theocratic, homophobic, anti-Semitic and totalitarian, Christianity and Judaism with the obvious exceptions are very similar, the problem is that most Jews and Christians are secular; whereas, most Muslims (and we're talking high 90 percentile here) are proudly theocratic.

*explain to them as if you would a child*

No the Nazi's wanted to wipe out the Jews because of their race not their ideology or religion as can be seen by the unrepentant testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen D outlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:


Q. What were these orders?

A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

A. Yes.

Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

A. Yes.

Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

*Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
**Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

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pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

A. Yes, That is right.

Q. They were found in Russia?

A. Yes.

Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

A. Yes.

Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

A. Yes.

Q. Because of blood?

A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

Q. And because of their blood, right?

A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

A. Between whom?

B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

A. The difference of the blood, yes.

Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

A. Yes.

Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.

COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

I already stated that I have no problem with secular Muslims but they are in the small minority. The way to combat political Islam is to first name it as the enemy, then stop importing it, then start deporting it where we can IE non-citizens here in the West, we need to monitor it in the Madrassas, the Mosques, and especially on the Internet. We need to make the praising of Daesh in any form a felony. That is what we can do at home, what we need to do abroad is NATO led by the US under Article 5 of the mutual defense clause needs put boots back on the ground and take Mosul, Raqqa, and Aleppo street by street and house by house and slaughter every last member of ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah fī 'l-ʿIrāq wa-sh-Shām to the man the way the Marines did in Fallujah in 2004 sending those (*)(*)(*)(*) suckers running across the border to seek shelter from Assad like the cowardice hypocrites that they are.

 

There's a hundred times more in Pakistan, are the Pakistani's oppressing the poor Muslim dears? ISIL is slaughtering the Yazidis at a rate that makes all of the attacks in Europe and the US including 9-11 look like a drop in the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing bucket, tell me when did the Yazidis oppress and disenfranchise the little Muslim snow flakes? Wake the (*)(*)(*)(*) up pal, we're at war and have been for almost two decades.

 

You are talking about different countries with different historic experiences. You think you can just generalise about what is going on in Pakistan, Syria and France?
A bit emotional are we? Take a walk and come back.