Leaked proposal: US offering Russia military pact in Syria.....

The United States is offering Russia a new military pact against the Islamic State and al-Qaida in Syria, according to a leaked U.S. proposal.

If finalized, the arrangement could dramatically alter America’s role in the Arab country’s five-year civil war.

The document published by The Washington Post calls for joint bombing operations, a command-and-control headquarters and other synchronized efforts. U.S. and Russian officials with expertise in intelligence, targeting and air operations will “work together to defeat” the extremist groups, the eight-page paper states.

The military partnership is part of what U.S. officials are terming a final offer to Moscow. In exchange, the U.S. wants the Russians to pressure Assad into ending a bombing campaign against moderate militant groups and civilian populations, and allowing unfettered aid to besieged, rebel-held areas. Washington also wants Russia’s help in forcing Assad to start a political transition that would ultimately end his family’s four-decade hold over the country......snip~

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...offering-russia-military-pact-syria/87069784/


Looks like BO will cave with Syria. Giving Putin what he wants. What say ye?

 

Russia should not agree to any further cooperation in Syria beyond that necessary for 'de-confliction' until the US separates its 'moderate rebels' from the terrorists. Otherwise, it amounts to letting the fox into the henhouse.

 

And this is from RT:

As John Kerry heads to Moscow, the Kremlin is refusing to comment on reports that Washington may offer to set up a joint HQ to synchronize airstrikes in Syria. Moscow stressed, however, that Vladimir Putin has repeatedly proposed this, but to no effect.

“I’d like to remind you of the statements of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has always said that Moscow believes an efficient fight against terrorism in Syria and beyond is only possible through collaborative effort,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Thursday.

“Putin has regretted, on numerous occasions, that our American partners have turned down such cooperation,” he added.​

On Wednesday, the Washington Post revealed a proposal reportedly drafted by the US ahead of Secretary of State John Kerry’s visit to Moscow.

The leaked paper discussed setting up a joint Russian-American coordination center outside Amman, Jordan, to share intelligence on Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and Al-Nusra Front, as well as to conduct “independent but synchronized” airstrikes on terrorists.

The Kremlin has refused to comment on the Washington Post report so far, saying it is waiting for the proposal to come through official channels.

Peskov said a meeting between President Putin and Secretary Kerry is expected to take place immediately after the US official’s arrival, while a meeting with Lavrov is scheduled for Friday.

“We’ll be able to speak of something after learning it from the primary source, not media reports,” Peskov concluded.​

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Looks like a nice propaganda write up, since there is no bombing campaign against civilians populations, and those rebel held areas are the hang outs of Al Nusra/Al Queda. The demands made by Kerry under orders of the neo cons, might be another propaganda stunt as well. Who knows?

 

It all makes sense, really. The "conspiracy theorists" nailed another one lol.

BREAKING: ISRAELI TANKS AND BULLDOZERS HAVE ENTERED SYRIA, CONSTRUCTING MASSIVE FORTIFICATIONS

[video=youtube;5A1RIeyw9-U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A1RIeyw9-U[/video]

 

Reading what you posted, it looks like Russia is being asked to make all of the concessions, give America everything it wants, which is to stop bombing the Rebels and get rid of Assad, and then help America defeat ISIS. How is this, as you say, Obama caving? What am I missing?

 

Russia doesn't believe Assad needs to step down and nor will they accept transitioning Assad out. Nor will Russia accept The Rebels as the ruling government of Syria. Assad and Russia dismissed the BS about targeting Syrian civilians. Rebels but BO calls them civilians.

Obama would be caving because he would now walk back all his criticisms of Russia over Syria. Also that there would be no wheeling and dealing on Assad. Who Bo said must step down.


Such a partnership would undercut months of U.S. criticism of Russia’s military intervention in Syria. And it would put the U.S. alongside Syrian President Bashar Assad’s chief international backer, despite years of American demands for Assad to leave power.

Russia would be getting what it has wanted since intervening in Syria in late September: An international alliance of sorts. Washington previously rebuffed Moscow’s requests for military cooperation, accusing the Russians of using anti-terrorism objectives as a pretext for protecting Assad’s position.

The military partnership is part of what U.S. officials are terming a final offer to Moscow. In exchange, the U.S. wants the Russians to pressure Assad into ending a bombing campaign against moderate militant groups and civilian populations, and allowing unfettered aid to besieged, rebel-held areas. Washington also wants Russia’s help in forcing Assad to start a political transition that would ultimately end his family’s four-decade hold over the country.

And a dissent cable signed by 51 State Department officials last month showed a sizeable part of America’s diplomatic establishment believing a U.S. military response against Assad’s forces was necessary, given Moscow’s increased leverage as a result of its intervention.

Opposition to the administration’s newest Syria plan is shared by a significant number of officials at the State Department, Pentagon and U.S. intelligence community, according to several American officials.....snip~ same link.

 

IF true this would be quite the interruption for Russia. Who sided with Assad by the way.

Well, if it works progress will be made towards getting the Syrian situation under control.

And then the Jihadis will swarm in to fill the power vacuum left by Assad.

And the Alawites will get cleansed.

And the Syrian secular society will be squashed under the heel of Sharia Law.

 

That definitely is the Hope of Sunni Arabs and the Saud, who are still causing the problems in Syria.

 

It can not be overstated enough....treaties, deals or offers to work together in any form with the Russian empire should be avoided at all cost. It has been proven without fail that the Putin regime is not to be trusted, and no American lives should be place at risk in some ill-thought-out partnership. The global goals of America and Russia are completely in opposition to one another...whereas the US seeks to safeguard the security of nation, Russia seeks domination & disruption.

 

Going to have to agree on this. Obama just loves arming the world's enemies. If anything, we should be arming Assad so he can help us defeat major Al Qaeda and ISIS factions. Obama is just hurting the world.

 

Assad needs to be defeated just as much as ISIS and Al Qaeda.....he is no less a genocidal maniac.

 

He's a genocidal maniac that hates our enemies.

 

He only hates them because ISIS is attempting to destroy his regime.....if ISIS aided him in some fashion, you can be sure that he'd be best friends with them.

 

Well, Putin is also making sure that the Europeans don't have a means to go around him for that oil. Which Iran could run a pipeline thru Iraq all the way thru Syria and to Club Med.

Putin is looking out for Russian interests as the Turks still remain a slight problem.

But you are correct we can't trust Putin and we do now need to watch how Russia responds and or set things in motion when it comes to our intentions. Snce they have clearly penetrated our State Dept, and other areas of the government. No thanks to Hillary and her people who helped to make it that much easier to do.

 

I hope you understand, things are different in each State. Obama has chose leaders in several States, which along with other factors has caused tens of thousands of deaths, millions on the move and economic problems that may not be correctable.

 

Russia needs to be watched under any circumstance.....and yes, Hillary has made a mess for the State Department.

 

In all my 61 years, this has to be the first time I've ever sided with the Russians. It is not out of naivete, trust me. But it is, in part, out of understanding their position.

They are defensive of the Assad government because it represents just about the only middle eastern nation where they have influence and because they have a naval base there. It's understandable because we too would be defensive of a nation where we have influence and military bases. The Philippines, South Korea, Japan, Kuwait, Qatar, and Diego Garcia (UK) all come to mind as examples of countries where we hold influence and where we have military bases, and we would wish to defend these countries.

Now I don't like the Assad government any more than anyone else.

But the conflict in Syria began as an internal civil war, not as an attack on the U.S. or an invasion by Syria into a neighboring country. And for some reason, Obama and Clinton believed that this civil war was our business to intervene in. We intervened by choosing a side, arming and training, and demanding regime change. I was always against this, and I knew from the beginning that this would have a disastrous outcome. History has proven me correct. To this day, I fail to see the justification for this hubris and arrogance on our part. Not to mention the untold human tragedy that is the reality of our Syrian adventure. Granted, we were not alone. Other parties, namely Saudi Arabia and other Sunni-led Gulf States, added to the chaos. And it is exactly the chaos - the war and resulting loss of governance (however bad it may be) - that opened the door for AQI to get a foothold, take territory, and become what is ISIS/ISIL today. And now, ISIS is an actual existential threat to middle eastern nations, Europe, and the U.S., and it must be destroyed. This "thing" that we stupidly facilitated must now be destroyed.

It dumbfounds me that we have not learned something from the Iraq war, and that is this.... Those people don't want democracy. What they care about is sect and tribe, and they want dominance over the others. Recall that Iraq almost fell into full-scale civil war while we were there, and it was only the surge in troops and an intense fight by U.S. troops that was able to end that civil war and bring peace. And what did the Iraqis learn from that? The answer is "nothing". As soon as U.S. troops were out, the persecution of Sunnis began by the Shiite-led government. Tolerance, respect, cooperation, and the rule of law were all thrown out the window almost immediately. This un-western, unsophisticated, primitive culture could not handle democracy.

So, just exactly what mental illness is it that our leaders - namely Obama and Clinton - are afflicted with that made them think Syria would be any different? Did they seriously ... I mean seriously??? ... think they were going to bring democracy and peace and security and national unity and brotherhood and a beautiful future to Syria by arming and training an insurrection? Did they seriously believe that???? Why haven't they learned that those people are not like us?

Well, apparently, they didn't know that. Furthermore ...

Did they ever even think about the fact that Russia has a naval base there and that Russia is a long-time traditional ally of the Syrians? Did they ever even think about what might happen to the Alawite population if the rebels overthrew the government? (I don't care about them, but I also don't wish to be complicit in a genocide. I do care about my conscience.) Did they learn nothing from the Libyan fiasco? What is wrong with those two??

So ...

I expect the Russians to reject this offer because the "offer" is that the Russians quit defending the Assad government. They are not going to do that.

My opinion is that our whole Syrian policy was none of our business from the start, and it has morphed into an unmitigated disaster. There is linkage - not direct, not intentional - but linkage between the U.S. policy on Libya and Syria and other events - Paris, Nice, San Bernardino, Orlando, Boston Marathon, burnings in cages, beheadings, genocide, the mass rape of Yazidi women and girls, and all other depredations by ISIS. Hundreds of thousands dead. A million refugees. Starvation. Cities destroyed. Specifically, the linkage is that we intervened in something that was none of our business, and our leaders, in spite of their college degrees and their impressive titles and their smooth speeches and skills in front of a camera, were too stupid to know better, and those idiotic decisions opened the door to the rise of ISIS.

Bottom line:

We should admit our mistake. We should abandon the effort to overthrow Assad by force. We should tell the rebels we've supported to stand down. We should no longer arm them. We should at least try to get the Turks and the Gulf States to stop arming the rebels.

We should join with the Russians in full cooperation and destroy ISIS/AQ in Syria and Iraq. ISIS and AQ are our enemy. They are our mutual enemy.

When peace and governance is restored in Syria we should then think out of the box, and discuss the future of Syria with Assad and the Russians. Perhaps some new arrangement of that country would be in the best interests of everybody - the Alawites, the Sunnis, and the Russians. It could be some reasonable autonomy, or actual sovereignty, in the Sunni areas, absent of AQ or ISIS. We all - the Alawites, the Sunnis, the U.S., and the Russians - need to understand and act upon the fact that these people are never going to live in peace with each other any other way.

We all should know that by now. Those people are not like us.

My two cents ...

 

I am a free man, I swear allegiance to the US Constitution and swear fealty to the Military of Turkey who is our secular ally, I only wish we could do more. I for one vote them out of NATO until our allies are released.

 

You have some intelligent ideas in your commentary and worthy of consideration.....although I wouldn't agree with everything you believe. Any thoughts of joining with Russia is troublesome.

 

Understood. I am a loyal, patriotic American, and it is a strange position to find myself in.

 

There be no pact.

Usa lie too much never trust.

Only thing left between usa amd russia is usa fear of being nuked but that day come.

Russians waiting on border. Come usa.

Usa send troops now use them or is usa coward

 

The Saud and Sunni were going to make the play on Syria with or without the US. This would not be a smart move with what Putin and Russia have going in with the Ukraine and on Russia's front doorstep.

Now working together in Libya and going after Daesh would be a different story.

 

USA is always late in Syria. This offer - if it exists - was good a year ago. Maybe half a year ago. Now it's outdated.
Actually, this offer is the same as Russia proposed to the United States last year when RuAF started airstrikes in Syria. Today the US holds in Syria unfavourable positions - due to all these problems with Turkey, in Iraq and so on. Today the USA is trying to buy something what they could get for free just several months ago.

 

Don't believe anything you read. Assad is fighting the genocidal maniacs that have been beheading the Christians on the spot... but you won't read anything about it since Assad is being helped by Iran and Hezbollah and that threatens certain neighboring countries. Yesterday Al Nusra hit civilian neighborhoods in Aleppo, probably for the millionth time, yet I betcha there was no mention of it in the MSM?