Pres. Obama calls for continued talks about race

I don't know but I can express what it isn't. It isn't a community organizer. It isn't a politician with an agenda. It isn't more government intrusion.

What / who would you like to see emerge?

Labour

 

we have to accept we no longer live in small towns where everyone knows everyone

i am white and most white people could care less about me and walk right on by me

we need to make sure some black people know that this is the way life is for white people, so they do not think people are being racist when the same happens to them

if you do not know someone, they have no reason to care about you.... and it has nothign to do with their race

now that said, from the flip side, if you have a job working with the public, you need to treat everyone with the same respect regardless of race or gender... doesn't mean you have to like them, the guy at McDonalds could probably care less about me.... and it's not cause of my race.... but he still needs to treat me like a normal person

yet another example, white teen wants to belong to cool group of people, gets denied... they think it's cause they are not one of the cool kids
yet another example, black teen wants to belong to cool group of people, gets denied... they think it's cause of their race

not sure how we change this point of view of some, I come from a inter-racial family and was a geek, did not fit in with cool crowd so that helped my family learn that we are all the same, but obviously not every black child will be raised with white siblings, so we need to talk about it

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One of the few times I agree with Obama. Everyone on both sides have their own experiences they draw upon to form their views; therefore, our views are incomplete. Open and respectful dialogue, even if views and thoughts we strongly disagree with, need to be presented if there is hope for improved race relations.

 

Of course there is one; the Leftist Marxists are working hard to create it.

 

There needs to be an actual discussion, and not a mud slinging contest and talk based off false narratives.

First big step would be to start with everyone in the talk representing their race to actually take responsibility for the wrong doings of each race WITHOUT TRYING TO BLAME SOMEONE ELSE FOR IT.

Each race needs to see and accept the fault that their own brings to the table, then from there we have a discussion of not only what we can do to better ourselves, but also for the sake of our fellow man.

 

You can argue that we have a lot of laws...maybe too many laws. But that doesn't seem to have anything to do with yet another "dialogue on race." So...exempt the poor (and I assume you mean black, not poor) from traffic laws, fines and so on? It sounds like you think Black people want to be policed differently from White people.

 

There's a real pressure here across the board in all communities. It's felt more by the lower socioeconomic class. It is not a white v black issue. It's an issue generated by a poor economy and an imbalance between the effect of minor laws on those at poverty level and those 200% from it.

Don't exempt the poor just eliminate the existing enforcement doctrine that is archaic and not necessary.

Today, for any civil non criminal infraction there is no need to create penalties or enforcement schemes that create police interactions or a progressively harsh continuum of fines for failure to pay. No need to suspend licenses, no need to jail. But yet we still do. Why, just to inflict damage? It's insanity.

Today, all states collect unpaid fines by levy on federal and state tax refunds. That levy remains until paid and if not paid is collected from social security benefits upon disability or retirement.

Labour




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Let's say your name is Bob, you have blue eyes, and you live in Des Moines, Iowa. And you meet Dave for the first time. Dave is wearing a red tie, and the following conversation takes place ...

Bob: "Hi. I'm Bob. I live in Des Moines."
Dave: "No you don't. Where do you really live?"
Bob: "I'm afraid you're mistaken. I live in Des Moines."
Dave: "Nobody with blue eyes lives in Des Moines. This is a fact."
Bob: "Well, that's not a fact because I have blue eyes, and I live in Des Moines."
Dave: "You're a liar."
Bob: "I am not a liar. I live in Des Moines."
Dave: "You're a liar. Either that or you simply fail to understand that you do not live in Des Moines."
Bob: (Bob takes out his drivers license and shows it to Dave. It shows a Des Moines address.)
Dave: "Nice try. But I know for an absolute fact that you do not live in Des Moines. Nobody with blue eyes lives in Des Moines."
Bob: (Bob tries to change the subject.) "By the way, that's a nice red tie you're wearing."
Dave: "It's not red. It's a yellow tie. All people with blue eyes think a yellow tie is a red tie."
Bob: "Good bye." (Bob leaves.)

I think this is what it's like for white people to have a "dialogue" about race.

 

So to you, a dialogue about race is really a dialogue about class.

I think that's a different subject. Not an irrelevant one, but I don't think that's what anyone means when they talk about having a dialogue on race.

 

Understood, nice point.

Here's another:

I as a white conservative male have an aversion to big government. I'd don't see its benefits. I don't need it to protect my daily freedom.

A Black man on the other hand has real justification to view that same government as the grantor of his freedoms because it is.

Think about it.

Labour

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No, I feel that the underlying pressure that the Black community sees as racism inflicted is mearly poor governmental policy.

One cannot divorce the two while living it. And in this Obama isn't wrong, there's a history here and the Black community conjoines the two issues. Errantly IMO but nonetheless with recent historical precedent I can understand the concern.

Labour



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Might be a good idea but I doubt it would work since, as we've seen, Obama's and the left's idea of a conversation is they talk and we listen and obey. (Yeah, I know I just pointed a finger when that's what we're supposed to avoid, but it's true)

I think we should ignore race completely, no stories leading with the race of the victim, no race baiting, no Al Sharptons. I go to work every day and I don't see a room full of Mexicans, I see a room full of people who work for the same company I do and for the same reasons I do. People also need to be less sensitive and offended by everything. If a person is offended by the Washinton Redskins who have been around for decades then that's their problem and no one else's.

 

Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it. Greatest sentence uttered since MLK.

 

Exactly!

Obama's concept of racial dialog is to line up white folk in regimental parade while pedaniclly ranting about centuries old injustice with a rewritten history that completely forgets that the very people he's degrading are the heirs of those that corrected the inhuman acts with their blood and lives. Listening to Obama one would think we're 19th century aristocrat southern slave holders.

F' him.


Labour


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Obama's idea of talking race is sitting down with a white guy with a beer telling him how privileged he is....

 

"a" beer? It's going to take about 20 for me to tolerate that (*)(*)(*)(*).

Labour

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absolutly not. You reap what you sow. If you label me privliged and racist, for beng a white man, then i have no interest in even caring one iota what happens in the racial arena.

 

Too bad it's complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*) because not talking about it doesn't make it go away.

 

We ever tried?

 

I don't know which "we" you're talking about, but I guarantee you not talking about it for even a day isn't gonna make it go poof. That's not how reality works.

 

I'm talking about all of us as countrymen and yes, if we tried it for even a little while I think it could be our new reality.

 

Okay. Let's stop talking about racism for one day and see if all racism is ended and no more race-based incidents ever occur, all racist groups just suddenly stop existing and the world is at peace.

 

The key would be to get said racist groups to stop existing lol. They're the ones who perpetuate the discussion the most. The KKK, BLM, New Black Panthers, etc. All of them are the ones who keep us from progressing "race relations" in the US.

 

And how do you get them to stop existing? You can pass a law that outlaws them but they'll just go underground.

 

I hope you're right. When will people, judge other people, not by their race/sex/gender/, but by the content of their character? I, for one, think this is all bogus and MLK is, and always will be, the guy who gets the credit for "civil rights".