Israel did not win anything. They were given authority over the region from Britain. Just because other countries in the region tried, but failed, to liberate the region does not mean that Israel is not an occupier.
the UN called for Palestine to be divided between a Jewish state and an Arab state. the Arabs said "no", attacked the Jews, and the Jews survived. and then in 1967, the Jordanians attacked Israel, and Israel won the war
Implying Israel doesn't "launch missiles at populated areas" isn't something I can take seriously. Rocks are one of the very few things Israel hasn't managed to take from Palestinian kids but they're working on it. Golda Meir's famous quote was an ugly little de-humanising turd with dictatorial level psychopathology mixed in, for sure, but at least quote her rather than paraphrase: “We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”
Yes of course. The Jews can just go elsewhere. Maybe Germany? Once the process is complete, the remaining Jews will be at the mercy of the new Palestinian leaders. What could go wrong? If you really cared for these people, you would not be calling for the dismantling of the Israeli state. Doing so only dooms them to a lifetime of futile struggle. (Kind of like you posting on this forum!) They are merely pawns for those with antisemitic agenda.
What if we had been able to peacefully dismantle Germany prior to WWII? Not sure, but Jews, Muslims and Christians lived in peace for centuries prior to the zionists stealing the holy land. It really is our only chance. You don't get it. You think the zionists are our allies when nothing could be further from the truth. EXACTLY! AWESOME!
And Jews were murdering Muslims in the holy prior to "Israel's" existence. Every time you have brought this up you have been shown that this was do to "Jewish" aggression. I am talking about for centuries prior to modern Jewish terrorism. Learn history.
yes, centuries before 1948, Jews were being massacred in the Holy Land. And many other places in the Middle East.
"He that doesn't know the truth is just ignorant. But he that knows it and calls it a lie, is a criminal." --Bertolt Brecht-- What a comforting note this would be if the word 'Arab' was upfront of the quote. Besides 'Lying' is not a sin in Islam! For Peace in the Middle East the Arabs should swear allegiance to Israel, its Laws, its government and its flag. The alternative is to pick and move to the 60 plus Muslim countries. This is 'the Land of Israel' my friend, and nothing, NOTHING in this world is going to shift to accommodate <the delusion of Grandeur> that some Arab have... to take on the most modern, the strongest the most humane army in the world... <wishful thinking>! To take over Israel you have to beat it honorably, decisively and completely... This is like a game that they have brainwashed you and your friends with... There might be a risque also... that all of you Arabs are taking... if your strategy fails, you might be 'annihilated!'
Said he. What should I know about Islam that might make me love, embrace, and maybe even be ready to let myself killed for the sake of, Hamas? Keep in mind that we are not talking about the same Islam your friendly hashish dealer is practicing. This is the ideology of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. I reckon you must be familiar with it...? I don't know what "javk" means. Googled it (still free, go figure). This is what I found. Seems appropriate.
No, 2005 is the year of the Israeli disengagement. The election in Gaza was Jan. 25, 2006, triggering the economic sanctions of 2006/2007 against Gaza, crippling them economically and having a significant political impact. The sanctions were strengthened to be a full blockade. A blockade is an act of war. The Israeli war on Gaza has continued now for about a decade, with Israel unwilling to negotiate. If they want the war to end, it is going to require negotiation, resulting in the end of the blockade, the return to Gaza of their fishing rights, an end to recreational shooting at Palestinian farmers working their fields, cessation of theft of natural off-shore energy resources, etc.
Just another day and another news. http://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-hamas-allegedly-embezzles-millions-christian-charity-17447
The US and Israel pressured Egypt to support the blockade (a "success" for Condi Rice). Egypt has to maintain relations with Israel. Egypt may choose to trade with Gaza or not. It is Israel that prevents shipping and air traffic betwern Gaza and all other nations. It is Israel that prevents Gazan citizens ftom traveling - such as students being denied travel to universities where they have been accepted. It is Israel that fires on Gazan fishermen who dare to try to fish Gaza's waters. It is Israel that prevents Gaza from profiting from its offshore energy sources - while Gazans starve, live in the shells of their bombed out homes, and lacks adequate clean water, electric and sewage systems - which were targeted by Israeli bombs, not by Egypt. Yet, you want to blame Egypt???
Good ideas like that are needed. But, it's hard to imagine progress while the US underwrites the continuing war on Gaza and shields Israel from action against its ethnic cleansing of West Bank. Plus, we appear uninterested in negotiated progress on anything related to this problem. We are a significant piece of the problem. We actually work to prevent progress.
Okay. One year and a half later, not two years. The economic sanctions, the baby of the Quartet and Israel, have been imposed on the PA, not on Gaza alone. It seems you missed the "5000 plus rockets" in my post. Or is being on the receiving end of rockets launched over the border to your town the normal course of life where you live? Egypt is enforcing a blockade on Gaza too. A bunch of undercover Zionists, I tell ya. On second thought, the Egyptian blockade might have something to do with their intimate knowledge of the Muslim Brotherhood ideology and modus operandi. What say ye? Why should Israel be willing to negotiate with a government that: 1. clearly states that it's not willing to negotiate 2. is hell bent on destroying Israel 3. stresses the holy duty of Muslims to kill all Jews Doesn't sound like flap and flutter of white doves wings to me. Gazans can fish. Recreational shooting at Palestinian farmers? Srsly? Do you think the IDF is willing to spend very expensive ammunition on farmers when there are real terrorists threatening Israeli civilians out there? Do you really believe that the strength and superiority of the Israeli army can be achieved and maintained by allowing soldiers to behave like brainless thugs? These are not mercenaries, or professional soldiers. They are our fathers, brothers, sons, friends. They are the future of Israel. Are you really suggesting that Israeli parents would let IDF turn their children into brainless thugs? Never heard of Yidishe Mame then, huh? I can't begin to imagine how distorted your image of Israel must be. Frankly, I don't want to ever be in your shoes. What off-shore energy resources? Should I understand that stopping the launching of rockets from Gaza is not required as a result of above negotiations, or is it included in the etc.? Or should it be allowed to continue as a recreational activity for Palestinians?
When you learn the difference between baseless accusations and evidence, people might find you more believable. Just a thought. It's the same thing with you people over and over. One minute it's were the poor Israeli victims and the next you are the baddest ass military known to man. Fascism or freedom, time to choose.
Why, not even a tiny blame goes toward Egypt for preventing free flow of people and goods thru their land crossings in/out of Gaza? Poor "Gazans starve, live in the shells of their bombed out homes, and lacks adequate clean water, electric and sewage systems", and them Egyptians do nothing and get no blame from you? Just two words - WOW !
Hey, did you hear, two days ago rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel? This is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing war on Israel, not the other way around. But worry not, Israel will respond.
Some times its better to die on your feet then to live on your knees. I doubt the Palestinian people will accept it but they could be wearing down from being in solitary confinement for the last 40 years. They are stronger willed then I. I Would have tapped out after a couple years. It would be nice if people could live and let live but greed will never allow it.
