A Palestinian State under US-Israeli Boots

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  1. Private Citizen

    Private Citizen Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't expect to get an intelligent answer from him. You're better off arguing with a 3 year old. They will have a better solution. He licks the boots for Israeli soldiers and grabs ankles when commanded.
     
  2. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you know what GIGO is? It stands for garbage in, garbage out. Adopted to the above, if you want an intelligent answer, ask an intelligent question.

    What kind of intelligent proposal is having Palestinians dividing Israel in half, and Israel picking half and Palestinians getting the other half? Do you think, this "proposal" deserves an intelligent response? :wall:
     
  3. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    How about this.

    The Israelis and Palestinians both comply fully with the provisions of UNSC 242 including the withdrawal of all Israeli forces from all of the territory it occupied in 1967 and NATO will insert military forces along the border between Israel and Palestine to prevent either side from attacking the other and violating the peace agreement.

    Peace is secured and both the Palestinian and Israeli national security issues are resolved.

    BTW If Israel wants a demilitarized Palestinian State is it also willing to agree to a demilitarized Israeli State as well? If not they can shove their proposal up their ass sideways.
     
  4. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It has been said many times, but here it is again - if Palestinians disarm, there'd be peace. If Israel disarm, there'd be no Israel.

    Argue with that!
     
  5. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL!!
    Your proposal makes a lot sense, and IF I were a Pal I would accept. BUT... you will have no luck with the Israelis - they will never agree to a small piece of land only, they want the whole thing... that is their aim. Plus, of course, keep the Golan Heights AND gain some more from Syria, that's why the US is trying hard to bring Syria down, so it can be chopped up into small fractions for certain others to grab.
    Wickedness and greed are the prevailing motives of operandi in the ME. Palestinians and Syrians are only trying desperately to hang on to what is left of their countries.
     
  6. TOG 6

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    What state claims the land upon which Israel sits?
    Cite?
     
  7. TOG 6

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    Jordan ceded the West Bank to Israel.
    Why would Israel give this up?
     
  8. SamSkwamch

    SamSkwamch Banned

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    So you want the IDF to start rounding up all those rocks?

    Maybe, maybe not, but there would be peace.
     
  9. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Without Israel there'd be peace? Do you mean if Israel' no more, Muslims will stop chopping heads and happily live in peace with each other?

    This has to be the joke of a year! :roflol:
     
  10. WillReadmore

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  11. WillReadmore

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    ??? Please read my posts if you want to respond to me.

    Egypt is blocking trade and travel between itself and Gaza. It is not blockading Gaza. Egypt is acting more or less like Trump would like to treat Mexico - which is disgusting, but not a humanitarian crime.

    While I would like to see relations between Egypt and Palestine improve, the humanitarian crimes being perpetrated are being perpetrated by Israel, not Egypt. It is Israel's blockade - which is an act of war that has continued for nearly a decade with Israel being unwilling to negotiate even a ceasefire, let alone an end to their war.
     
  12. WillReadmore

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    Yes. There is a war going on between Isreal and Gaza.

    In wars, people do fire rockets. And, Israel with its better technology (much of which is supplied or paid for by the US), bombs the electrical plants, apartment buildings, UN aid sites, sewage facilities, water systems, and blockading delivery of aid - focusing on slaughtering civilians and continuing their refusal to negotiate even a cease fire.
     
  13. WillReadmore

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    One might also ask what it would take for the USA to live in peace given our wars and promotion of wars throughout the world.

    The fact that we tend to carry out our violence in other countries isn't an excuse.
     
  14. WillReadmore

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    Nothing Jordan has ever done gives Israel the right to the ethnic cleansing of West Bank. One nation can not hand another nation the right to commit crime.

    If Israel wants to pretend that West Bank is part of Israel, then they should allow Palestinians to vote in Israeli elections, govern West Bank with civilian rather than military law, end the practice of state sponsored property theft, etc. - standard stuff for how we expect non-criminal governments to carry out governance.
     
  15. Dutch

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    Just what is blockade?

    I suggest you read more about just how many people travel daily to and fro Gaza. I suggest you also read about (*)(*)(*)(*)ing unending flow of all kind of goods to Gaza, all thru Israel. Even during intense rocket barrage of Israel, Gaza was never blockaded and the flow of food, medicaments, essentials have never stopped. It is not a blockade, it's a normal customs and border controls. So, don't cry me a river about poor, poor Gazans. They are not.

    Gimmi a break.
     
  16. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yea well. Having survived seven wars of aggression and living next to a neighbor, who's people enjoy stabbing others just to meet with their Deity, I'm sure Israel is very skeptical to any and all proposals coming from so called Palestinian well wishers. But do keep bringing them forth.
     
  17. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You misunderstood me. I never said there's a war going on between Israel and Gaza. I said, there's a war made on Israel.

    Have there been a real war between Israel and Gaza, how long do you think Gaza would cease to exist?

    That's right.
     
  18. WillReadmore

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    I know exactly what you said.

    But, the blockade is an act of war. Israel is even denying them the right to fish their waters, travel, buy and sell their products with the world, access their off shore energy resources, etc. There absolutely is a war going on.

    Suggesting there is no war from the Israeli side makes no sense at all. One doesn't even have to count the bodies.
     
  19. WillReadmore

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    Sending or receiving goods through Israel is not even slightly good enough - especially for a nation whose products tend to be agricultural. There is no promise of timely delivery and there are long lists of stuff Israel will not deliver regardless of how it got there - stuff Gaza needs desperately.

    The blockade has destroyed the economy of Gaza, prevented rebuilding critical civilian infrastructure that was targeted by Israel, and left Gaza in a state considered a humanitarian catastrophe by the international community.

    And, that was done intentionally.

    Without the continuing war on Gaza by Israel, Gaza would be relatively prosperous. As it is, people are dying.
     
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    It wasn't just Jordan. It was six other countries as well.

    Foolish Muslims. Attacking Israel is not wise.
     
  21. Ronstar

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    hahahaha!!!!

    Jordan did no such thing
     
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    Your claim that they are not occupiers is baseless. Israel may have won a war (albeit not by themselves) but that does not mean they "won the land".

    They were "allowed" autonomy in the region on the basis of conditions, conditions which they have violated numerous times.
     
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    What does this question have to do with anything that I said ?
     
  24. Dutch

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    Now that we've established theses no blockade from Israel, just a normal customs and border control that any Nation would rightfully excersize, what do we have?

    That's right. This is not good, and that's not enough... Qualifying and quantifying... Qualifying and quantifying... Israel has to do (*)(*)(*)(*) for Gaza. It can lock its borders shot for all we care - not let any people or goods thru. It is their border.

    As for water, don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing smuggle weapons in, and Israel will happily let Gazans fish or whatever without necessity to check their boats.

    Easy, really.
     
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    The Palestinians / Muslims have such a sweet deal, move into someone else's Country uninvited, as Squatters, make a shrine / desecration on / of an existing Holy site, have UNQUESTIONING World acceptance, what PR !
     

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