And Turkey enters war in Syria...

Ok... And what does that have to do with my post?

 

Can someone tell me what is so bad about the Kurds having Kurdistan? Give them a little territory in exchange for helping us fight ISIS, why not? They aren't terrorists and don't oppress their people (much, I think) so why the big bs about it?

Yeh,yeh, how would you feel about giving up part of US? Hey, they can have any state that's going for Trump, that's a lot of land that's totally useless and undeveloped now.

 

Ehhh.... There have been Kurdish states in those areas going back many centuries.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Kurds#/media/File:Kurdish_states_1835.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava#Historical_background

As usual it would have taken you less time to inform yourself than writing your factually incorrect posts.

 

It would be like creating another Israel on somebody else's land.. and of course the Syrians, Iraqis and Iranians would have to leave.

A largely Sunni Muslim people with their own language and culture, most Kurds live in the generally contiguous areas of Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Armenia and Syria.

 

Turkey supported ISIS so they could fight the Kurds, and the head of MIT Fidan said in a speech that they should have a consulate in Istanbul. Erdogan's daughter was running a hospital near the Syrian border where ISIS's wounded could recover. His son Bilal was in charge of the delivery of their stolen oil... and over 30 countries were buying it illegally, including Israel and Japan.

In order to have an excuse to bomb the Kurds in Syria, Erdogan had to pretend he was fighting ISIS. More recently he began giving his full support to Al Nusra, and has been helping them enter Syria. After it was proclaimed a terrorist group, they changed their name and according to them, they want to become more like ISIS.

As far as atrocities go they are the same as ISIS, and have beheaded just as many Christians. Of course our always lovely CNN is now calling them a 'reformed' group. I guess slitting the neck of the 12 year old boy was an act of kindness.

Seems Soros' 'Open Society Institute' which is connected to Human Rights Watch, wants Americans to believe that Assad is a fiend and killing his own people rather than protecting them.

Why the mines might hinder the terrorists from entering Syria, and if that happens then the war wouldn't be able to go on. No mention is made of course by Soros' group of how many refugees are being shot at and killed trying to enter Turkey. The following is from the Telegraph:

Turkish border guards have reportedly shot dead nearly a dozen Syrian refugees, including children, as they tried to cross into the country.

At least 11 people were killed after they were “fired on indiscriminately” at the unofficial Khirbet al-Jouz crossing, around 30 miles south of the Turkish city of Antakya.

The Britain-based Observatory for Human Rights, which tracks violence across Syria, said as many as 60 civilians have been shot dead by guards while trying to flee since the start of the year.​

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A Syrian businessman described as the "middleman" for oil deals between Isil and Bashar al-Assad's regime will be targeted for European Union sanctions on Saturday.


The listing of George Haswani, the owner of HESCO engineering company, sheds more light on financial links between Syria's regime and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil).


In public, the two belligerents claim to be sworn enemies. Isil has vowed to topple Mr Assad and transform Syria into an Islamic "Caliphate". But the rise of the jihadist movement has served Mr Assad's interests by allowing him to pose as an essential bulwark against Islamist terrorism.


Isil fighters captured the oilfields of eastern Syria in 2013. Since then, the regime is believed to have funded the jihadists by purchasing oil from Isil. But those links are understood to extend further than was previously thought. Instead of merely being a customer for Isil's oil, the regime is understood to be running some oil and gas installations jointly with the terrorist movement.

Mr Haswani's company, HESCO, operates a gas plant in Tabqa, a town in central Syria which was captured by Isil last August.

Officials believe this installation is being run jointly by Isil and personnel from the regime. The gas facility continues to supply areas of Syria controlled by Mr Assad.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-and-Isil-is-new-target-for-EU-sanctions.html

Haswani is a Syrian, married to an Alawi and travels on a Russian passport.

 

Looks like the Kurds lose again. No great howls of protest about it, either.

More at link.

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http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/0...ottoman-turks-steal-syrias-jarablus.html#more

Early this morning Turkey invaded Syria. A contingent of 1,500 Turkish sponsored "Syrian rebels", aka Islamist from all over the world, were accompanied by some Turkish special forces and twenty tanks to capture the city Jarablus at the Turkish-Syrian border. The move followed a night of artillery warm-ups and bombing raids. Shortly after noon the "Syrian revolution" flag and the Turkish banner(!) were raised over the city.

There was no resistance to the move. The Islamic State, which had been informed of the attack, had evacuated all fighters and their families out of Jarablus. (The families went to Raqqa but the fighters went where?) No shots were fired. As one commentator remarked: They even left mints on the pillows. The toleration of ISIS by Turkey, which includes some not so secret support, will likely continue.

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The claimed aim of the Turkish move is to close the Turkish border to ISIS. That claim is obviously nonsense. The border can be closed on the Turkish side. To move the crossing point a few kilometers south does not change anything. The second, more plausible claimed aim, is to prevent the movement of the Kurdish YPG forces, under the U.S. assigned label SDF, towards west-Syria. Such a move would create a Kurdish statelet all along the Turkish border and endanger Turkey itself while it is fighting a Kurdish insurgency on its own ground.

The Kurds had announced the move west and recently taken the city of Manbij away from the Islamic State. This with the help of heavy U.S. bombardment. As part of their future plans a new SDF-Jarablus Military Council was announced yesterday. But the head of that entity was assassinated just three hours after the introductory press conference. The Kurds blamed the Turks for the killing. Today the Turkish government announced that it will not only take Jarablus but also Manbij and throw the Kurds back east behind the Euphrates river.

The U.S. had so far supported the Kurdish move towards west-Syria with special forces and air support. But it reacted to the Turkish move against its alliance with the Kurds as it always did over the last 30 years. It immediately betrayed the Kurds as a bigger interests arouse. Turkey is a NATO ally that threatens to move to a closer alliance with Russia and Iran. The U.S. can not condone that. The Kurds will therefore again have to suffer for their gullibility and ambition.

 

According to most accounts, there are about 20 million Kurds in Turkey and only 2 million in Syria which is less than the amount of Kurds in Iran and Iraq.

Anyway there were no such things as independent states, more than likely they were tribal groups located mostly in the mountains, so I don't know what that map is trying to prove. Seems something the idiots in Washington would have dreamt up for their new Kurdistan.

Since you don't know that much, I want you to know that Antalya is Antioch and it is in Turkey:

The ancient Greeks did mention the Kurds in Anatolia, so they are indigenous to the areas they are in now. ..which the Turks are not. Oh and in case you don't know Anatolia is not Syria, it is the original Greek name for the area now occupied by Turkey:

Again mention of Anatolia:

 

Actually it's not Antalya, It's Antakya. Antalya is so different city of Turkey. One letter could make hugh differences. Pay atttention please. In historical sense, Kurds were not natives of Anatolia - since the definition of Anatolia is the western side of the euphrates. Though you could find small Kurdish tribes in other areas as well, Kurds were nomadic people. Historically Antioch had nothing to do with Kurdishness.

 

You're funny! You realize that the EU is like Washington and has no credibility in anything it writes or does?

 

Do your own research on George Hanswani and get back to me.

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The employee revealed thatHaswani is from Yabroud and he was the assistant manager of Banias refinery. He was temporarily assigned as a manager when the General Manager resigned. After a new manager was assigned to the position, Haswani resigned and went to Russia, where he studied and married.

Haswani communicated with old friends there, among them were high-ranking officials from the Russian security forces. He established an authorized corporation with licenses from a Russian gas and oil company. The corporation, HESCO for Oil and Gas, also delivered spares to the Russian military vehicles and Russian oil wells.

Haswani's office is run by his son-in-law, Yousuf Arbash, who was a member in the Syrian Communist Party, in the Yousuf Faisal wing. Arbash runs the office with Amjad Douba, who also lives in Moscow.

Because working in these business sectors is difficult and limited to a specified group, Haswani married an Alawite woman with connections to the Assad family.

The work of the company expanded to include oil pipelines in Algeria and Sudan. Later it completed a gas processing plant in central Syria, as a subcontractor to Russian company Stroytransgaz, by the end of 2013.

The source said rumors saying that Haswani is the brother-in-law of the Russian President are completely fake.

http://syrianobserver.com/EN/News/26865/Who+is+George+Hasawani+Who+Helped+Release+Maaloula+Nuns

 

He's a good guy, for sure. Not a lying psycho like the Evil Queen. He isn't likely to support the unending war and global control agendas of the Military-Industrial-Intelligence Complex. He would actually fight IS rather than arm and protect them while lying, lying and lying some more about what he's really up to. It's the American people vs. the American government and information-controlling media propaganda system at this point. Things are worse than most realise.

The EU has a similar problem developing, I think, with the Franco-German alliance seeking to control all of Europe through the EU. I do hope Britain actually Brexits and quits delaying and delaying over how hard it is

 

It seems you're right. Anatolia in Greek means 'East', and was frequently used for anything East of the Greek mainland and islands. I think the Europeans used it for Turkey more than the Greeks, because I know the Greeks as saying they are from Micrasia... which means Asia Minor.

As for the Kurds, of course they didn't have anything to do with Antioch. They were not city people, they lived in the mountains, and they were always on the periphery of the civilizations rather than being part of them. This doesn't mean though that they didn't exist in the area... which they did.

Anyway Erdogan made a mess of things. Seems he has a 'messianic' view of himself as being equal to Mohamed and will restore the Ottoman Empire and stretch it out all over the world. Unfortunately he is being deceived, and when you go for too much, you end up with nothing.

 

I want Trump for the same reason many people hate him, and that's because he has a big ego, and it might be just what's needed to fight those who control Washington. I don't know of anyone else who would be able to do it.

 

LoL what a troll. You can follow your guys here Jeannette >>> https://twitter.com/ihanetebedel?lang=tr


Many of them are headshot, disgusting

 

Remember the good ole days Russian trolls were hating on Erdogan and his oppression the Kurds and had an Islamist vibe to it, and Assad is on the side of the Kurds. Now Assad is fighting the Kurds, and Erdogan is in bed with Putin due to the Coup, Russians trolls instantaneously change their minds.

 

Yeah, good old days indeed. That's why politics is so great fun.

 

Stop projecting your own disloyal and self serving tendencies into others so you can start joining the civilized world.

 

US agent Gulenists shot Russian plane because Russia and Turkiye had a perfect relationship in recent months. They are situated in all the arms of Turkish state. Now Turks clean them all and we back old good days again. Having good relations between Russia and Turkiye drives US mad.

 

Yeah. He has ego, and he also is quite clever. He shouldn't be in over his head dealing with those Washington clowns.

 

Educate me. Why is the US so concerned with a pipeline? We are on the other side of the world. What is our interest, as a nation, in this? Since this in no way appears to pertain to the national security of the US, the only thing that is left, involved money, profits, for western elite capitalists, or so it would seem.

So, educate me on why the pipeline is important enough to expend treasure and lives over it.

 

Hmm didn't you guys say Turkey supports ISIS and Erdogan is a jihadist?

 

The US doesn't care.

Qatar wants a gas pipeline from South Pars across Syria to Turkey and on to Europe.. Russia wants to be the sole provider and control gas to Europe. (Syria would earn transit revenue)

Syria is backed by Iran and Iran supports Hezbollah, HAMAS and the al Houthis in northern Yemen. Saudi Arabia contends that Hezbollah, al Houthis and HAMAS are obstacles to peace and stability in the region.

Here's the rub: Iran wants a big piece of the Chinese market share and so does Russia.

 

Russia supports the YPG/YPJ, and sympathizes with the PKK.

 

Because the pipeline would cut into Russia's gas monopoly, and Washington has an obsession with destroying Russia economically. It wants to break up the country and take control of their resources. They almost accomplished it in the 90's, but Vladimir Putin became president then and wouldn't allow it. This is why they hate him.

Vladimir Putin said that if Russia's survival is at stake, then he will go to war. Well it's reaching that point now in the Baltics.