Maybe Not The "Illuminati", But Close?

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  1. upside-down cake

    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    In general...

    The Illuminati is supposedly a bunch of secret people and/or organizations who secretly run the world. I'm not entirely sure, but they are usually a malignant group...

    You see many, many video's explaining the origins, purpose, and actions of such a group. At some point, you wonder if this group is real. To me, it is not real in it's exact sense, but the core concept, I believe, is real.

    A bunch of people who gather, in secret, in order to gain and maintain more power, wealth, and resources. It pretty much sounds like corporate strategy 101. Let's not forget that while not exactly having conquered the world, plenty such organizations have existed- usually at the core of empires and corporations and such. They plan, in secret, to gain as much as possible. Many of them increasingly use cryptic and overt techniques to achieve this. Capitalism vs Communism is an example of such groups vying for control of as much of the planet as possible by both "soft" and "hard" measures.

    So, what I'm saying here is that while there might not be anything as cartoonish as the Illuminati of stories, there real-world counterparts are not only alive and functioning, but leave a clear historical trail- both high and low.
     
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    Contemporary Americans are so ignorant of exactly what or how the secrecy works that it's pitiful.

    The member operate unconsciously and cannot divulge most of the very important secrets if they wanted to.

    Courts and government as as psychology carefully guard societies ability to understand the secrecy. The church created the willful ignorance with the crusades and inquisitions empowering the secret systems.
     
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    If they actually do exist they are the most incompetent asses that ever lived, so desperately awful that we'd be better off left to blind chance.
     
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    The "Illuminati" or whatever you want to call them are simply the wealthiest people in the world making them the most powerful. They of course control the world....
     
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    Agreed but may I add for many of the wealthiest money becomes an abstract. When you have hundreds of billions it becomes insignificant it's there but the thrill is gone. What's left is power, this elite cabal has an insatiable lust for power and nothing is ever off the table in their pursuit.
     
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    True, and they can do anything they choose because they have the money and power.

    That's why I wonder why they're so secretive, no one could oppose them no matter what they did.....any opposition can just be ignored or eliminated.
     
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    They aren't flawless, if that's what you mean. But they are concentrated, intelligent, and driven. As in war, a small concentrated force can make quick work of a disorganized rabble.
     
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    Hitler and the Germans fought them with all their might. He pointed them out in this excerpt of a speech:

    [video=youtube;yLi2uw8PYJ8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLi2uw8PYJ8[/video]
     
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    My point is that given what they've wrought they are either insane or the latest generation of a multi generational tribe is grossly incompetent. That or the world has just gotten too large and complex for any group of humans however sophisticated to adequately and effectively control.
     
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    The illuminati is a way of discussing the shot callers behind the scenes without ever mentioning names. It is a distraction and the "conspiracy sites" that run with it are controlled opposition.

    Look at the stockholders of the federal reserve banks if you want to name names. Look at the BIS and world bank. Look at the attendees of the yearly Bilderberg conferences, the attendees at the Bohemian grove, the men in the CFR, the trilateral commission and the PNAC. You will see the same families represented throughout and it are these families we have seen orchestrating world events throughout at least the last few hundred years.

    Israel is in the middle of so much (*)(*)(*)(*) because Palestine was deeded to Lord Rothschild personally in the Balfour declaration. It was this family that began central banking as the five sons were sent to the five largest European capitals and began their schemes on a global level. These five banks from Europe are today's J.P. Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, etc..

    "The illuminati" is a distraction from the actual serial killers who have names and bring wars, starvation, and disease all over our planet.
     
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    I wish to add, that for quite some time the term "New World Order" or NWO has pretty much been substituted. Check out this NY Times piece from 1940:

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    More here:

    [video=youtube;sHi5wnS6Vs0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHi5wnS6Vs0[/video]

    And before anyone gets the above (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up, we are NOT talking about the Jewish people. They actually suffer from this as much as anyone. We are talking about the wealthiest families on earth who call themselves Jewish and hold tremendous power from banking, to media, to schools, to religious institutions, etc..

    By 1991 they had enough power to have their noahide laws from their talmud (see thread "Church and state"), written into US Law. Will we wake up before they hold enough power to actually implement them globally? Only time will tell, but it is up to us to simply wake up already and clearly say NO!
     
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    Any Paris fans up in this piece?

    [video=youtube;nrrzHjPC9p8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrrzHjPC9p8[/video]
     
  13. Ronstar

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    this comment and video is nothing but a bigoted lie against Jews

    a "NWO" was not proclaimed "for the Jews". if you read the article, you will see.

    plus the fact that the Noahide Laws are NOT part of US law.

    I don't know where the author got such an idea, but it is false.
     
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    I have to go off THE ACTUAL ARTICLE, Ron.

    Honestly, at this point, your claims and accusations fall on deaf ears.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the article says NOTHING about a NWO being declared "for" the Jews.

    read the article.
     
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    "Pledged"
     
  17. Ronstar

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    article says nothing about a "NWO" being "pledged" for the Jews.

    you never read the article.

    :roflol:
     
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    Seven years ago I had a girlfriend that swore they existed and I thought she was a sandwich short of a picnic lunch but she had a smokin' body and was fun to be around. It was three years later when I had my epiphany that things were not as they seemed. When I came to the horrific realization that 9/11/01 was done by certain rogue elements within our own government,, I decided to go down the rabbit hole. 17,000 plus hours of reading and researching has led me to the conclusion that JFK was trying to tell us 54 years ago about a monolithic conspiracy and those that belonged to secret societies and took secret oaths. The Jesuit Order of the Illuminati along with their Knights of Malta were behind the assassination of JFK. Anyone that has done any research about the Jesuits will find a very disturbing history. Like how the Jesuits were kicked out of 83 countries from the 1540's to 1931 for subversion, subterfuge and political intrigue. People would be floored to find out how many people that are in positions of power are Roman Catholic and Jesuit trained OR went to an Ivy League college and belonged to a secret society like Skull and Bones, Quill and Dagger, Cap and Gown. etc, etc. I have found that only two CIA directors were not Jesuit trained. The Jesuit order of the Illuminati (or as it is also called "The Brotherhood") is all steeped in free-masonry in the upper ranks and the Monte Carlo P-2 lodge is the most powerful. The Vatican holds more control over the world than you could even imagine.

    The Jesuits were complicit in starting the Civil War and the conspirators of Lincoln's death were also agents of the Jesuits. The reason that diplomatic ties to the Vatican were shut of in 1868 until Reagan restored it in 1984 was because of the Lincoln. assassination. Black masses are held in the catacombs of the Vatican and members of the Vatican that were able to leave have told of child sacrifices in satanic rituals. A lot of this started coming out when BBC celebrity Jimmy Savile died and it was found that he had been provided children for such ceremonies and that it went all the way to the House of Parliament, the Vatican and the House of Windsor. I will write more later if anyone else wants some more insight.
     
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    That all makes good sense and adds up to the widespread control we see over our world.

    What is missing is "the secret that keeps all secrets ".

    It is a compulsive deep trance state at the level of somnambulism exploiting fear and a host of other primordial instincts, which are used to create massive dissociation of secrets. Those in control have many puppets under them operating unconsciously.

    The use of the trance is actually 100% natural. It is the type of knowledge used with it that is the problem.

    The depth of resolve of a group of Masons and others was artificially deepened by the use of nitrous oxide, discovered in 1773 by a German scientist and used by a group who developed modified versions of existing intent of ancient, secret factions.

    The resolve that resulted controls and conforms to all of the intents of those darkest factions who then began to work together against the interests of humanity for personal enrichment and gratifications rooted in de evolutionary instinctual basis.
     
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    Good food for thought. What I do know is that after the Jesuits were suppressed in 1773, Adam Weishaupt , Jesuit trained in Canon Law was commissioned to write the manifesto for the order (which he finished on May 1st, 1776) by the House of Rothschild because he knew that if he wanted total financial domination that the Vatican would have to be subdued and under his control. The Illuminati and the Jesuits were able to infiltrate the Vatican and 41 years later the suppression was lifted on the Jesuits. One of the planks of the Illuminati was to infiltrate freemasonry because that was where you would find the most influential "pillars of the community".. George Washington (in a letter) even wrote about his concern about the infiltration of the Illuminati into the masons on this continent and some of our founding fathers had no use for the Jesuits when the suppression was lifted. Many books have been written about the Jesuits that have been kept out of the public view and a lot of their history has been re-written but they are what they are...the military arm of the Vatican along with their Knights Of Malta.

    Albert Pike's book "Morals and Dogma" which is considered the bible of Scottish Rite freemasonry was mentored by Jesuit Jean Pierre de Smet. Pike took over as the head of the Illuminati from Guiseppe Mazzini and .if you are not familiar with Pike's three world wars that would need to be fomented to bring about their Luciferian "New World Order" that he sent to Mazzini, you should check it out.....and they are following the blueprint to the last detail. The letter was seen by Dr. John Coleman at a London Library in 1973. Coleman wrote the book "Committee Of 300" which is a great read. He worked in MI5 and MI6 and spent twenty years researching for his book. What is so ironic about Pike is that he was a confederate general, was complicit in forming the Kul Klux Klan (using freemasonry as it's structure) has a statue prominently displayed in Washington, DC and no social justice warrior has ever pitched a fit over that....not even Sharpton or Jackson....and why is that? Because they are 33rd degree freemasons.
     
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    The term Illuminati today is a catchphrase for conspiracy theorists and the supposed cabal of puppet masters running the world. The original Bavarian Illuminati disbanded in the 1780s but was plagued with internal issues before that.

    There's nothing wrong with secrecy or secrets.

    You realize though that JFK also called for greater official secrecy.

    So you think that a Catholic organization took out a fellow Catholic?

    Except the Jesuits and Illuminati is not a part of Freemasonry. And Propaganda Due (P2) lost its charter in the 70s due to its actions. They acted without recognition, as a rogue Lodge, for years.

    The Illuminati didn't infiltrate Freemasonry. From the "1782 Congress of Wilhelmsbad":

    Throughout the history of Freemasonry there have been gatherings and events that have had a large impact on the fraternity in general, specific Orders within the Fraternity, or due to the lack of documentation has lead the theories abound. The history of Freemasonry is a complex topic, not always because of one's ability or inability to comprehend the subject, but often due to the lack of recorded evidence to support or reject a hypothesis. When faced with incomplete information one may let their imagination wonder which can sometimes lead to far-fetched and exaggerated speculations. One such event that many Masons and anti-Masons have theorized about is the 1782 Congress of Wilhelmsbad; Albert Mackey refers to this Congress as "the most important Masonic Congress of the eighteenth century". To the Masons, this meeting marks the impending doom of Rite of Strict Observance and the rise of the Rectified Scottish Rite. To the anti-Mason and conspiracy theorists, this is the meeting where the Bavarian Illuminati is said to have infiltrated and taken over Freemasonry to enhance their nefarious agenda for global domination.

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    This convention didn't embrace the Illuminati as that was not the purpose or intent of this assembly, but a few are said to have joined the Illuminati. Knigge would leave the Illuminati just 2-years after the meeting in Wilhelmsbad; some speculate that his failures at Wilhelmsbad, as well as disagreements over the direction of the Order, led to degradation in the relationship between Knigge and Weishaupt. It is also curious to note that during Knigge's final years he wrote against Weishaupt and the Illuminati, but never speaks of any infiltration into Freemasonry. For many anti-Masons though this is ignored and rather they would continue to make wild exaggerations and accusations limited only by their own imagination and not based on recorded fact (something they admit themselves).

    In the end and with actual facts, this convention was important as it was a point when many of the now defunct and dead rites were seen as fraudulent and many of the Templar continuation or perpetuation myths were rejected. This is also when the fate of the declining Rite of Strict Observance was decided and the Rectified Scottish Rite would emerge, which Willermoz combined aspects of the Strict Observance and the Elus-Cohen Order to preserve aspects important to Willermoz and his followers. It also shows that less than 50-years after the famous Oration of Andrew Michael Ramsay, where stated that Freemasonry was descended from Knights of St. John, many chivalric orders had risen and died away or were rejected as most were seen as a Ponzi scheme. Had the Rite of Strict Observance survived, the anti-Mason, in my view, would have more credence in their accusation of Illuminati infiltration, but alas the Strict Observance and its "unknown superiors" were rejected. With the limited information that is indicative of 18th century Masonry record keeping, it is not surprising to see theories that are formed based solely on speculation and not fact, whether by Masons or otherwise.​

    Morals & Dogma is not considered the "bible of Scottish Rite freemasonry." Pike remains the favorite "whipping boy" of the anti-Masonic movement who often exaggerate his importance and misquote Morals & Dogma. Anti-Masons go so far as to say that Pike was the leader of all Freemasonry and that Moral & Dogma carries the weight of Masonic canon or law. It seems to me that most anti-Masons gloss over most of the book to include the Preface of the book where Pike states "Everyone is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound." This doesn't seem like a way to start a book that is supposedly the standard of knowledge by which all Masons must believe. Brothers Arturo de Hoyos and S. Brent Morris state, in Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry, "Just because Albert Pike was a brilliant ritualist, an able administrator, and a well-respected Mason doesn't mean all of his opinions are right." This again falls in line with most anti-Masons lack of understanding or denial of what constitutes authority in Freemasonry. I have found that most quoting Pike have never actually read Morals & Dogma, but just copy and paste from some anti-Mason website.

    Except you're quoting form the Pike-Mazzini hoax: http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/pike_mazzini.html

    Dr. Walter Lee Brown, an expert on Pike, has stated that there are no primary sources that support the accusations that Pike was ever involved with the Ku Klux Klan. Even from a Congressional investigation no reference to Pike ever came up when looking at the activities of the Ku Klux Klan during the Reconstruction Era.
     
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    Understood. What I'm saying is that it doesn't matter whether the "Illuminati" as an entity in and of itself itself exists or not when there are clearly hundreds of organizations around the world that- while not controlling the world- function in secrecy to attain as much as possible. Like the CIA...the Mossad...etc. Every great power desires more power. Nothing really shocking in this, it's just the hyperbole tends to take the facts and literally go to the moon and beyond with them with things like lizard people.
     
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    Nitrous oxide was discovered in 1772 by Joseph Priestley. But the effects upon hypnosis with it was not publicized. It was abused.

    Ummm, that is the sanitized version efor the church society.

    Before the timed onset of the second quickening, basically 1,000 AD, the crusades, a reference was set, there was a meeting of the eastern and western church THROUGH their knights, determining by warfare which church was correct in fundamental perceptions of Christ.

    Ironic huh?

    Basically, the east knew Jesus was a man, Rome knew he was a God. Rome lost, and the Tuetonic knights made alliance with the Templars.

    This is why the Freemen forced the king and barons to make a peace treaty called the "Magna Carta".

    The barons became bankers and armorers while the animal fierceness of the human being was unconsciously hardened by darker knowledge of human instinct merged with the Templars.

    The old Druids that guided that forcing of the treaty communicated with Benjamin Franklin in the Hellfire cave many generations later. They were impressed with what Pagan Masonry was doing in America under the guidance of the Six Nations Iroquois confederacy and the precepts of the Magna Carta.

    But the Tory influence by programmed agents surrounding the framers sabotaged the agreements forged in the framing to a significant degree.

    Because the PURPOSE of free speech was never written in, the darker forces used money and corruption to cause a massive constitutional failure of the people in America to create the civil war .
     
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    I didn't post the thing you are responding to.
     
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    No, that paragraph was the introductory paragraph to the 1782 Congress of Wilhelmsbad, a Masonic event.

    The rest of your post was nonsense.
     

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