GOP and Trump put deficit on back burner

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  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    It is obama's fault.
     
  2. Lil Mike

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    How were the Tea Partiers hypocrites? During the life of the movement, they supported fiscal restraint. The movement was successfully killed by Republicans who were the hypocrites on deficits. This just seems to be senseless trolling on your part. You don't care about deficits, Trump ran without caring about deficits, and now....suddenly you're worried about them.

    I'm open to stimulating discussions on policy, but you have nothing to add on that score.
     
  3. Quantum Nerd

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    It doesn't slander, it tells the truth. Where is the tea party now rallying against Trump to instate his reckless tax cuts that will blow up the debt? Where? Can you tell me?
     
  4. Your Best Friend

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    There is no Tea Party now...there's the first lie, that they exist out there somewhere.

    Secondly, the idea that tax cuts "blow up the debt" is also an absurd fairy tale taken up by weak minded people because it infers your money belongs to the government, and not you, and that any money denied the slobbering, rapacious, beast in Washington DC is like the bed ridden 700 lbs. pig complaining that
    because you won't bring him four or five pizzas daily anymore, you are starving him!

    The idea that the federal government should responsibly use and conserve the money sent to them apparently is too bizarre and comical to even consider for a moment.
     
  5. Quantum Nerd

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    There is no tea party now, however, the people who used to be the tea party are still out there, yet, they all of a sudden forgot about the deficit. What's so hard to understand?

    Obama into office = Tea Party forms = deficits bad. Trump into office = Tea Party disappears = deficits don't matter. It shows that the Tea Partiers were all a bunch of hypocrites who didn't really care about the deficit. Just like they don't care that they voted the morally most repugnant serial adulterer into office.
     
  6. Deckel

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    So you oppose infrastructure spending now the the GOP wants to do it? You know Trump's infrastructure plans are essentially the same as Hillary's save one giant border wall don't you?
     
  7. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, we desperately need it. But why did the GOP deliberately delay it for the past decade or so?
     
  8. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The debt increases when Congress won't pay its bills with tax income. If Congress cuts taxes the debt will probably be $40 Trillion by 2022.
     
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    The Tea Party simply dropped out of sight long before Obama has been scheduled to leave office so there is something fundamentally wrong with your
    reasoning there.

    But who needs reason to hate and slander...right?
     
  10. Quantum Nerd

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    Whatever. But maybe you can tell me why the ex Tea Partiers are not concerned about the debt anymore, even though the president elect is set to add another $6.8 trillion to the current deficit over 10 years? Did they stop caring about the debt or what?
     
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    Basically they've doubled down on the increase in revenues from a 4-5% GDP and continuing into the future
     
  12. jack4freedom

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    We can only hope that Trump stays true to his methods as President. Cut taxes, increase the hell out of spending, then if the debt reaches 40 trillion, just tell whoever we owe it to, to go (*)(*)(*)(*) themselves. Problem solved.
     
  13. Deckel

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    Last year, Obama signed a 5-year $305B infrastructure spending bill. Are you maintaining he did this by executive order without the support of the GOP House or Senate?
     
  14. LasMa

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    Fine, but when Republicans talk about fiscal responsibility, they're just lying through their teeth. Right?
     
  15. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Repubs have always hated paying the bills. That's why we have a large national debt. They didn't want to pay the Civil War debt so they borrowed the money and have been borrowing for the past 150 years.
     
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    Trump's position is to get the economy growing at 4% (up from 1% in Obama's eight years). The higher growth will begin to help with the deficit. When we hit 4%, then we'll attack the debt. Nothing good can happen without growth.

    It will be good to have a president who understands the importance of a growing economy. Obama just saw the private sector as a cash cow existing only to serve the government.
     
  17. Quantum Nerd

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    1) Average GDP growth under Obama was about 2 %.

    2) Where have we heard before that the tax cuts will pay for themselves? And then followed the great recession.

    3) Don't you think that Obama was trying to get GDP growth as well with infrastructure spending? But then, the GOP tried to curb spending as much as possible -- to hurt GDP growth and the country. All of a sudden, the are all for infrastructure spending. Bunch of hypocrites.
     
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    Obama believes the private sector is the enemy. He has shackled them with taxes and regulations. Trump will try to undo much of that so we can grow at 4%.

    Yes, lowering taxes does spur the economy. It happened with Kennedy and Reagan. With Reagan, there were some deficits, but only because he had to rebuild a decimated military.

    I trust Trump's version of rebuilding the infrastructure because he'll watch where the money goes. We'll get more bang for the buck from Trump than under Obama, who would have just lined the pockets of his cronies like he did with his stimulus package.
     
  19. Quantum Nerd

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    Haha. With Trump it's not even his cronies who'll line their pockets (they too, of course), but his family first. That's a new low that even GWB didn't try.
     
  20. Lil Mike

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    Your timeline is deceptively wrong. The Tea Party was dead before Trump got into office....technically he still hasn't gotten into office...but it was dead before Trump was a declared candidate. Heard of any Tea Party rallies lately?
     
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    It is a trade-off. As the economy grows, interest rates rise and the cost of debt service rises as well. He would need to lock in 30 year bonds at a low interest rate before they went up to not make this fool's gold in relation to federal debt.
     
  22. Quantum Nerd

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    That's irrelevant. The same people still exist and voted Trump into office, all of a sudden forgetting all about the debt.
     
  23. Hard-Driver

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    He ran on tax cuts and massive military and infrastructure spending. If you are fiscally conservative, you are an idiot if you voted for him...

    There is one thing worse than democrats tax and spend. It is republican borrow and spend more.
     
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    The GOP is the party of Hypocrisy. They’ll give huge tax breaks to the one percent while starting needless wars and spending like a drunken sailors on military hardware (to further enrich their pals). When this joke of a president (trump) and his crew of idiots is finally driven from office the economy will again be in shambles, a repeat of the disastrous georgie-boy bush / dick Cheney regime.

    Republicans don’t have a clue how to govern. All they know how to do, is screw up everything they touch.
     
  25. Lil Mike

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    Since I've explained that already in this thread, I can only assume that you have a limited ability to absorb new information.
     

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