GOP and Trump put deficit on back burner

the only time republicans want to not spend is when democrats are doing the spending... they have no issues spending themselves

 

I can absorb new information quite well. You, however, seem to only be able to deflect from the topic by splitting hairs whether the tea party disappeared one or two years ago, instead of addressing the issue why the tea partiers have now forgotten about the debt. And they did vote Trump into office:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-tea-party-is-now-the-trump-party-2016-11

So, here is the question again: If the tea party is so concerned about the debt, why are they now silent, even though Trump will add another $6.8 trillion to the deficit over 10 years?

 

It's true the Republican Party has been fiscally responsible in rhetoric only and not in action. But with almost ten trillion added to the national debt during Obama, the Democrats are far from being fiscally responsible too. Only they don't try to hide their fiscal ill-responsibility.

 

the religious right became the tea party, and now not sure if they are alt-right or just republicans again

after Bush many people did not want to call themselves republicans anymore

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Wrong, the religious right co-opted the Tea Party.

The US is on track to a $21 trillion debt under Obama. We are borrowing money to pay the interest on what we borrowed. That is the epitome of bad debt only sustainable if interest rates never rise again. If interest rates rise to normal levels the US would not be able to pay it's debt. Add the unfunded future debt for social security and Medicare and the outlook is dismal.

 

Since I've already answered that same question in this thread, you are not exactly making the point that you can absorb new information. Rather than just asking the same question that I've already answered, why don't you ask a question that expands upon it, taking into account my previous comments and answers? It's called a discussion.

 

true, I did not mean the original tea party

 

I attended some of the original demonstrations of the tea party and later when elections started rolling around and it was co-opted by the religious right I was dismayed. I figured then that the movement was doomed.

 

Foolish move. We need to remember fiscal responsibility, and forgo spending like drunk sailors, just because we are in power.

 

Don't worry, the trump administration will come up with some lame excuse as to why they've put it on the back burner. This will make for good fodder down the road.

 

Well, you have it a little messed up. The Tea Party first emerged as a fiscal conservative faction, not a socially conservative faction. Then the Religious Right took it over. It's not like the Religious Right were the inventors of the Tea party, they just took it over and coopted it.

 

Lol so let's plan a manned trip to Jupiter

 

You are correct, you already answered the question. Just forgot about your earlier reply with lots of stuff on my plate .

 

yes, that is true, but I do not consider both the same tea party, the republicans just took over the name

 

Obamanomics less than 2% mean growth through out his Presidency.

 

And no recessions.

I prefer slow growth over the boom bust cycles caused by GOP tax cutting policies.

You know that the next recession will come. And this one will be owned by the GOP, again. And, what will they do then? Cut government spending to the bone, as they tried to impose on Obama during the last recession? Because the stimulus through tax cutting tool has already been wasted in times when it was not necessary.

But, I know that the fat cats, who have always ruled the GOP, while pretending to look out for the little guy, LOVE the boom bust cycles, because it allows them to buy assets for at a steep discount for pennies to the dollar during the bust, when the average person, who doesn't sit on 20 lifetimes worth of savings, has to sell low to prevent from going under.

 

This might be the time where the Liberals recognize that on deficit-spending, Trump is much closer to them than the GOP. Of course, they do want to compare it to the Bush Era.. But the thing is: America was attacked on 9/11 and thus started the Iraqi invasion. If there's one thing Trump made clear, it's that he wants to end all of the entanglements as quickly as possible, and get back to investing at home.

Liberals should celebrate! But alas, they want to hate the Hitler 2.0(or so in their minds) and can't appreciate a good thing.

 

That's because most of young liberals are poorly educated and low on information. All those degrees given to them are worthless pieces of paper which could be better used for sanitary purposes in toilets across the USA. Just about same worth.

Judging by recent events some high schools and universities in the USA have been taken over by complete imbeciles. Letting imbeciles 'educate' your kids could have catastrophic consequences for your country.

Obama completely screwed U.S economy. All those years in charge he has been printing money and the inflation is inevitable. Not to mention $21 trillion debt. I'm afraid Trump is going to be blamed for all those things Obama screwed. A fall guy. Convenient, isn't it?

 

Please ... this reasoning with 9/11 is so ridiculous to defend Bush administration that it slowly must hurt people in the head if they really believe this total BS of nonsense!

The real war against terror after 9/11 was in majority only Afghanistan up to today with this and that other little thing to have been done ... but in sum all things which the US defense budget pays easy!

The real cost explosion has only and really only one other reason and this was the criminal attack on Iraq in 2003 which had absolutely nothing to do with war against terror and 9/11! So please stop this lousy BS blabbering to explain the titanic deficit under Bush with 9/11!

And then came the 2008 financial crises where the Obama administration was even not elected and where so only Bush administration takes any responsibility for it that it happened due to their very liberal banking control which was like controlling nothing and created a Wild West on Wall Street & Co!
But the billions and billions which the US government had to pay to stabilize the system to avoid a total world crash were paid under Obama who inherited the mess to solve which was not created by him!

 

Actually, the Democrats of 2005-2007 were to blame for the Housing Markets. They passed what(in Bush's eyes) was a weak regulatory bill that did not give the President what he wanted(and I suspect, further bills ended up strengthening the protections) So, why couldn't they give the president what he wanted? Obstructionism! But the Left won't want to revisit down that particular lane.

To the extent that I blame Bush for the Housing Crisis, it would be for passing the bipartisan Minority Homeownership Act. The noble idea of minorities being homeowners was a beautiful concept, but the reality was that giving them loans they couldn't afford wasn't a smart idea over the long run.

I know, these real reasons for the collapse are a lot more technical than MSNBC gave people, but bare with me lol.

And what I said is that the 9/11 attacks led to the Iraqi war. And even then, while many Liberals like to "crow" that the costs were hidden, those costs amount to 1/3rd of the federal debt. So yeah, about the other 2/3rds......

There's only so long people can beat the bush dummy, but especially in regard to today's finances.

 

Just so you know, since you obviously were bobbing your head when Trump was "telling it like it is", but being very short on what he was going to do about it, Trump's promises to maintain entitlements, spend a lot of money on infrastructure and build up a huge military to keep the bogey man away and cut taxes at the same time don't add up.

We've seen this act before.

And far from being the cry of an outsider reforming the system, this is the typical Republican formula of the last thirty years.

Borrow and spend.

Which is exactly what Trump is going to do.

And the right wing noise machine, the bobble heads that listen to talk radio, and the GOP in Congress will quickly forget about fiscal responsibility.

They beat that drum for eight years, and now that they've go the checkbook, they're going to write blank checks.

And the parade of influence peddlers surrounding Trump Tower right now know it.

 

Typical revisionist history.
The Dems were a POWERLESS minority on every committee and the GOP killed every bill except one in committee. The GOP had a two vote majority on every committee and all they had to do was vote along party lines to send Bush any bill he wanted. The one bill that got out of committee the GOP majority never allowed it to come up for a vote.

 

Isn't the housing market issue where his opponents reduced program to a weak crap at least same way comparable to the so attacked Obamacare, which is same way reduced to crap by Obamas opponents?

about if 9/11 led to Iraq War we can discuss endless. In my opinion ... and where I get in dispute with Truther Movement always too ... both have nothing to do in each other. Right before Bush was elected, his "shadow administration" was still working for plans to invade Iraq and throw away Saddam. There were many reasons why to do in their mind, aside oil it was also the thinking to finish the incompletely ended mission of 1991.
Right after the election and when Al Qaida was still a threat for the USA and still did terror acts before, the complete threat was ignored by the Bush administration and they showed openly in the meetings of security council a total disinteresting for Al Qaida. Condoleezza Rice for example showed in the briefing of FBI and CIA over Al Qaeda a total disinterested ignorance! There was again and again only one major topic at the meetings - Iraq and Saddam ... but Al Qaida was on same level reduced as "war against Mexican drug cartels"!
Even right after 9/11 happened, the administration people wanted to blame Saddam for it and when FBI and CIA declared that this is nonsense, because Al Qaida was it, a full dispute with shouting on the FBI and CIA directors broke out that they have no idea who it was! Fortunately, US media showed to open the truth, that the hawks of the administration who want to blame Saddam for it had no other chance as to accept that Al Qaida was it!
But even then, when fighting in Afghanistan was ongoing, the propaganda war to blame Iraq and to hold them in public focus to be an evil threat ... now combined and included in war against terror ... with this lie of still existing huge stores of weapons of mass destruction and whatever else.

The pure costs for Iraq for preparation of attack, the attack in 2003 and all the time until today are titanic ... costs paid by the US tax payers and which have nothing to do with NATO costs, but not excluded in the statistics to blame other NATO members that they do nothing etc.

 

The Republican Party of today is the party of "Used to be" on almost everything.

The Republican Party used to be fiscally conservative.
The Republican Party used to be opposed to racism.
The Republican Party used to be advocates of the US Constitution.
The Republican Party used to be opposed to religion in government.
The Republican Party used to be advocates for the American people.

That all disappeared with the end of the Rockefeller Republicans and the election of Richard "I'm not a crook" Nixon.

 

Yeah, and then they attribute some growth induced by borrowing to their great policies -- while they impose austerity onto the next Democrat in office and then crucify them for a sluggish economy.

That playbook has worked before and it will work again, this election is a perfect example of it.