Can Trump Fill Obama's Shoes?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Natty Bumpo, Nov 24, 2016.

  1. creation

    creation New Member

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    No Rev Wright is a preacher of black liberation theology. A credible and legitimate course of reasoning and argumentation. you're trying to tell black people what's good for them. I'll bring whatever I want into this : bigot.
     
  2. creation

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    Yes. So why don't your fellows just admit what all your chaff is really about? Ending handouts and lowering taxes so that the healthy educated and motivated can enjoy more money while those without these qualities can either sink or swim in the hope that more will swim?
     
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    Because they would have to lie to do so.

    Hmmm, I thought you said the indoctrination was on the right.
     
  4. creation

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    Yeah I know. And all those things were positive. Because the alternative is far worse; not saving the economy. Not having the aca. Not pulling troops out Iraq etc etc. Thus all these actions are positive and I answered your question very well indeed. What have you got?
     
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    Obama had very small feet.
     
  6. creation

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    Why would they have to lie?

    I never spoke of indoctrination. I said your a bunch of whiny little b______s. There is indeed ignorance and indoctrination on the left. Just less of it.

    How about you guys just keep your chat to what this is really about; ending handouts. Umm actually maybe not because you might actually have to be specific accurate and historical.
     
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    Liberated from what?
     
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    Why do you think you have the right to someone else's property?
     
  9. thintheherd

    thintheherd New Member

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    Because it is about ending handouts, just not your "so that.." modifier drivel.

    Which is nothing more than the "less of" indoctrination you spoke of.
     
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    Sorry no it is neither credible nor reasonable which by definition makes it illegitimate..
     
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    Dude most of the very disparity of which youcomplain exists almost entirely as a result of government policy, policy established by the Democrats in there never ending war on wealth that impoverishes millions in the name of keeping their own sorry asses in power, well sorry it's finally failed people are starting to wise up. The disparity is self correcting. When you make tax avoidance a chief reason for doing things more money is invested in preserving wealth than creating it, and wealth disparity happens automatically. HIgh tax rate generate tax avoid scemes the way sinking ocean freighters beget swimming rats and for the same reason.
     
  12. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Hyper-partisan hysteria is inappropriate. The governmentally-engineered transfer of the nation's wealth into the pockets of the privileged who purchase the services of elected officials to further their acquisitive ends has been ongoing for decades under the duopoly.

    Trump will not be able to conjure up the high-paying manufacturing jobs of yore, or restore the coal industry to its long-gone primacy in fulfilling the nation's energy needs, but he can reverse the government transfer of wealth by policy initiatives that will once again allow the money to be spread around more equitably for Americans, not increasingly accrued by a minuscule elite.
     
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    No its entirely credible and reasonable. Black people are under no obligation to accept whatever theology you deem fit for them. They came to the USA under circumstances no other group had. To deny that is inherently prejudicial against them.

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    Utter balls. The government had no part in the unequal distribution of wealth.
     
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    Sounds like a great recipe for convincing those "without these qualities" to come out and vote, eh?

    I can see the Conservative pitch now...

    "Vote for us and here's what we're going to do: We're going to stop giving so much money to you (for doing nothing but existing, procreating, and voting against us) and instead, we're going to direct it toward building a stronger economy so more of you can have good jobs and actually pull YOURSELVES out of the cycle of poverty that your poor decision-making skills and lack of motivation are perpetuating. Deal?"

    Yeah - that'll work.

    On the flip side, you have the liberal line - which is so much more simple and effective!

    "Vote for us and here's what we're going to do: We're going to make it easier for you to get more money and benefits to which you are entitled (at the expense of those who DO make good decisions and ARE motivated to succeed) and in the process, we'll deplete the military of resources and personnel needed to keep our country safe, apologize to the rest of the world for past history that cannot be changed, demonize the police who defend you every hour of every day, and do everything in our power to keep you dependent upon us...because you are not capable of helping yourself. It's not your fault and you are entitled to freely receive things that others have to work to attain. Deal?"

    To a simple-minded, low-information electorate -- which message do you think stands a better chance of succeeding?

    I'll just let that one answer itself.

    I clearly stated that we DO need "safety nets" to serve as a step-stool to help people get over a rough spot and elevate themselves - but we do NOT need that step-stool to keep morphing into an E-Z Boy recliner!

    How is this so difficult to comprehend?

    On second thought - forget I said that last part. I have to remember who I'm dealing with.

    Comprehension of such a "complex" concept is obviously beyond the grasp for some.
     
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    To the former it is racist horse crap. to the latter bollocks indeed government policy caused that problem to the extent it is a problem. The problem isn't a problem when governments do not drive people in the direction of wealth preservation rather than wealth generation. High tax rates, low interest rates, and large bureaucracies make creating wealth a less attractive option than trying to create more wealth.
     
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    Of course he can it is after all relatively easy. All that is necessary is to reduce corporate and other tax rates, lessen the negative impact of bureaucracy on wealth generation, sit back and watch the ensuing economic boom which while it won't bring jobs back will create new ones here.
     
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    They got here the same way most of us did, popped out of a hooha.
     
  18. Penrod

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    I hope not, Obama was a disaster.
     
  19. evince

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    only to partisan fools
     
  20. AmericanNationalist

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    The better question is if that hack could ever fill Donald's shoes. Donald already has a diverse cabinet in place, and robust plans for the United States. In less than a month, Donald Trump is a far better president than Obama could be.
     
  21. Penrod

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    And hes not even president yet. Hey what happened to the market will crash if he is elected ?
     
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    When the fail known as Obamacare is repealed and replaced, the only notation to Obama's name is the same one they hyped when he started "First African-American president.". Yeah...try not nominating people based off of color, but on actual capabilities. It looks like Dems haven't learned from that mistake and in 2020 another opportunity exists to get more qualified people in offices.
     
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    the record for months of job gains was under Obama
     
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    Obama's approval rating has little to do with his accomplishments that benefitted a significant portion of the population but is based on other factors. The primary factor is his race, interplaying with white guilt, and that he is well spoken, laid back, and a great role model for blacks, who need better role models than rappers and black racists. We have not had a president to serve the average guy since JFK.

    Obama was a weak president and a neoliberal, which is anti working middle class economic philosophy, that dictates law and policy in favor of the 21st century robber barons, giving us globalization, the newest scheme to grow income disparity to max elite wealth. But also an old scheme.
     

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