Why did Putin want Trump as our President?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    It is always that way with Trump. "He can't be taken seriously." "He was just kidding." "It was sarcasm." "I think he has something up his sleeve."

    For months people have forgiven him for his histrionics because he is a novice at politics. His syntax is childish. He constantly repeats himself.

    He is the President-elect and I don't forgive him for anything. I take his words at face value and that is how he should be judged.
     
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    so far his actions are exemplary and I assure that is how he will be judged!
    repeal and replace, conservative court, illegals out, lower taxes. You're gunna love it!!
     
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    Thank you Sandy for trying to kill your own topic.
     
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    nobody knows. If I were Putin I'd want Hilary since she would appear to have less stomach for a military fight with high casualties
     
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    We both can put different interpretations on the law. I tend to believe the FBI. They absolved Clinton of any crimes ... twice. In any case, the private server and her emails were not the subject of Russian hacking.

    Isn't it strange that whenever Trump is accused of wrongdoing, many Trump fans never discuss those issues. Instead they change the subject to Clinton or Obama. This thread is not about either. This thread concerns Russian hacking and the effect it had on our Presidential election. Please review the OP and I would be happy to discuss the issues therein.
     
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    Two great answers for you, Sandy Shanks.

    My opinion:

    Hillary Clinton is irresponsible with military force and sought war with Russia. Ever since the end of the Cuban missile crisis, the U.S. and Russia have tried assiduously to not to go to war with each other, the obvious consequences being too great. So after over 50 years of trying not to go to war with the Russians, Hillary Clinton was ready to shoot down Russian aircraft over a Syrian civil war. A Syrian civil war! Excuse me, but that is f-ing crazy. Not over an attack on the U.S., not over an attack on Europe, but over a bunch of Muslims in frickin Syria who don't like each other.

    If you were Russia, you wouldn't want someone that crazy in the White House either.

    And Anna is right as well. Between Trump, Tillerson, and Mattis, America will be no pushover. We won't be bats**t crazy, but we'll be no pushover. Bank it!

    :flagus:
     
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    I'd love to see evidence of that??
     
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    I will need to see the 'proof' Russia hacked anyone in the DNC and proof it had anything to do with Hillary's loss and Trump's win. Which brings us back to Clinton and Obama, Obama's DOJ refused to indict Hillary. Comey said Hillary broke the law but he couldn't find 'intent'. He couldn't find intent because he refused to recognize it. https://jonathanturley.org/2016/02/...perational-information-and-put-lives-at-risk/
     
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    He hasn't had to work with any of them yet. He can't do much without congress.
     
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    I doubt the R will be the party of the working class. If so, I vote for them. Actually I have more than D.
    I doubt we go to war with Iran either. Now that we seem to be in bed with Russia, Russia is a big ally with Iran.
    My guess is the binary crowd will love Iran this time next year.
     
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    I am sure it was all over faux news. Perhaps on RW shock radio as well.
     
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    Personally I certainly hope so. I am from the multiple eras. At my birth, FDR was Stalin's pal. Truman called him our enemy.

    Reagan took the enemy down. Putin had to work at some job and it happens it was the KGB. They are about like our CIA. Ask Democrats to reel off their list of CIA dirty tricks. They got Bush to believe Saddam was super loaded for bear.

    So far, Putin has one major thing he did. That he bombs Syria. But that is not new to Obama, he bombs them too.

    As to Crimea, voters decided that issue. Sure Putin does not favor the illegal actions of Ukraine. Too bad too since no doubt the general public are nice folks. But when the president had to flee for his life due to criminals in Ukraine, it caused Putin a major headache. That is when Crimea bolted to the Russian arms.

    We really need Putin more than Obama needed Castro.

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    You crack me up. I was so like you until around 1980. I was a pain in the rump of republicans. Then I learned much more. I vote republican now.
     
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    :bored: Another Red Dawn Gazi (global socialist) acting like Joe McCarthy.
     
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    There's plenty of it, but you have to understand how a politician like Hillary Clinton talks and why. You have to understand the military implications of her plans and what they really mean.

    I am not going to write a book here. Cutting to the point instead ...

    She wanted a no-fly zone over Syria "to protect civilians". Translation: Not to protect civilians, but to protect anti-Assad forces from bombing by the Russians and Syrians. If she even cared one iota about civilians she would not have armed and supported the war in the first place.

    She claimed she would work with the Russians to "deconflict" the airspace in the no-fly zone. Translation: Tell the Russians they couldn't have the airspace anymore. That is the only way you "deconflict" the airspace. The whole purpose is to keep them out of it. A no-fly zone means you shoot down aircraft that are attacking the forces you support. The Russians would then be faced with the decision of whether or not to knuckle under or to fight. This is the war with Russia she was willing to risk.

    Sound crazy? It is. It is f-ing crazy. She is batsh*t crazy. Even Barrack Obama knows the idea is crazy. Staying out of a war with Russia that had no good reason is a primary reason I wouldn't vote for her. Many others, but that one was primary.
     
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    I have voted R more than D.
    But the R idiots on this board is what cracks me up.
    Some of the most shallow people ever to post.

    How is it gonna play out. We become friends with Putin, but he is the biggest ally of Iran and Syria.
    2 countries the Rs absolutely hate.
     
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    We won't be in bed with Russia until they allow our troops to be stationed on their land. I can't see that anytime soon.

    We are in bed with S. Korea, Japan and Germany. Notice we have troops there.
     
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    What! Off with your head!!

    Okay, you can keep your head. This time.

    And of course Putin would have a strong advantage if he were only dealing with Trump.
    If he planned on that he made a mistake, probably due to differences in our political systems. Putin is the boss and no one questions him (that's my assumption). Whereas Trump is backed up by a strong cabinet made up of Tillerson, Bolton and Mattis. Those three know how to deal with Russia. Tillerson was Putin's friend in business. Now that friend sits on the other side in a game of world diplomacy. The last person I want to play a high level game against is a friend who knows all about me.

    Thank you for the compliment. Being only 25, and female on a forum with far more experienced political debaters makes me try harder.
     
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    So, we hate Iran and Syria.

    That is the message of a person who then loves Iran and Syria.

    While I do not love Russia, much less Putin, I know that if the tiger is in the cage, do not just unlock it and let it roam. Obama is a paper tiger, not skilled in the art of war.
     
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    There's that binary thinking. Loud and clear.
    If one doesn't hate something, that means they automatically love something. What makes binary thinkers think in only binary terms?
     
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    Because he agreed with the millions of Americans that Thought Trump was best.
     
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    No, I'm only stating the obvious as a 25+ year IT professional. I consider the CIA to be a pretty useless intel agency. The blew it on Iraq. They blew it on 9/11. They blew it on the collapse of the USSR. They couldn't even manage to kill Castro.

    Nevertheless the source if the emails is irrelevant. It does not change the content, which was reprehensible. I highly doubt, however, that it changed the vote of many people. Unless you are going to argue that the only way the election could be untainted was for her inner workings to be kept hidden to coin a phrase: "What difference does it make?"
     
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    Or maybe the reset button Hillary gave him broke.
     
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    I think it had a lot to do with the size of Trumps hands, but I could be wrong!
     
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    Putin likes Russia and doesn't want to go to war with America. Going to war with America plays right into the hands of the Gazis (global socialist). It's hard for the Gazis to control everything, if Russia and America keep doing what they want. If they destroy each other, the collective will be able to swoop in and quickly assimilate what is left. The worst thing that could happen to the Gazis (global socialist) is favorable relations between America and Russia. An American/Russian alliance would put an end to the Gazis dreams of ruling Earth.
     

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