Conservatives: What did Hitler get wrong?

"By embracing socialism" the way a python "embraces" a mouse?

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In what way?

 

Fascism is a phenomenon of the right. It is right wing extremism. It opposes everything on the left. Superficial claims of it being "socialism" because Hitler said so is lame. The history of its origins as well as Hitler's actual deeds prove the point.

Mussolini coined, defined and used the term we know as "fascism". He is the origin of the idea. "Fascism [was] founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini" - http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fa...f_char_hx.html

Mussolini, an anti-socialist, wrote:
“Fascism [is] the complete opposite of Marxian Socialism"

and...

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."
http://www.politicalresearch.org/200...rporate-state/

Mussolini defined fascism as being a right-wing ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism. He said in "The Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism": "Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century." http://as.vanderbilt.edu/koepnick/Ge.../slide0016.htm

Trotsky wrote:
“The bourgeoisie is incapable of maintaining itself in power by the means and methods of the parliamentary state created by itself; it needs fascism as a weapon of self-defense, at least in critical instances." https://www.marxists.org/archive/tro.../onlyroad2.htm

Mussolini's fascism was adopted by Hitler. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fa...f_char_hx.html
At the time, socialism was very popular among the people of many countries including Germany. Hitler capitalized on this fact by naming his party "The National Socialist Party". But both Mussolini and Hitler were anti-socialist, and anti-labor union. Each, upon taking office, rounded up socialists, communists, and labor unions and jailed them and killed their leaders. Any leader of the left would rely on the people, represent their struggles and aspirations, and unite with their organizations. Mussolini and Hitler attacked them.


Hitler wrote:
“I aimed from the first at something a thousand times higher than being a minister. I wanted to become the destroyer of Marxism. I am going to achieve this task and, if I do, the title of minister will be an absurdity as far as I am concerned."
https://www.marxists.org/subject/fascism/blick/ch13.htm


Dictionaries defined fascism as a political system based on the merging of corporate interests with government until the 1940's when large corporations began buying up dictionary publishers. At that point the definition was changed to what we find today.

My rather old American Heritage Dictionary (1973) defines it as "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

The Oxford Dictionary defines fascism as:
"An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization."
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/fascism

Prefer something more .... umm....."American" and contemporary? - http://www.answers.com/topic/fascism

Fascism is, and has always been, a right wing phenomenon. It has never been compatible with the politics of the left.

 

I think Hitler's cuddle was softer: The nationalization of industry and social programs which shared the national wealth with an entitled class constitutes socialism. I think that Hitler's pro-white fascism can cloud the fact that Nazi poli-sci was socialist

 

The truth hurts. The D's still don't get it.

 

It is no different when Red compares Blue to communist totalitarianism. Both is nonsensical ignorant generalization.

 

You might try telling that to the rest of your party. I have seen many blatantly racist comments here alone, never mind when the Trump crowds were cheering for torture and murder.

 

In non recession Bush 43 years U6 was ~ 3% greater than U3. In the non recession Obama years U6 is ~ 6% greater than U3.

 

With high taxes, overregulation of my business, the national debt which my children will inherit, attacking traditional American values, etc. I believe the Democratic Party was put on Earth just to make my life miserable.

 

Name a president that didn't contribute to this debt. There was one. Do you know who he was? And I don't mean Hoover.

What Party hasn't attacked American values? There was none. Surveillance is not an American value. Neither is secret arrests and trials without a jury. Neither is abortion by coat hanger.

 

What do you think are American values?

 

I disagree with your construct because it seems full of hatred.

 

Hitler killed one or two Jews. Conservatives typically don't go in for this.

Sorry to prick the OP's bubble.

 

The American Dream
A better life for children
A chance to better one's self
Freedom from worry about financial destruction
Freedom from worry about what their government might do next
A fair income for a fair day's work
Job security
etc

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A snarky response is not a serious one.

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Do you think fascism is about hating Jews?

Did you know that Trump welcomed the support of white supremacists? Is there a difference?

 

What did Hitler get wrong?


He assumed Jews were inferior only to have Jewish scientists help the Allies win the war, thus proving the final solution had a fatal flaw. I can just here Hitler cursing those crazy Jews and their pesky Einstein–Szilárd letter which lead to the Manhattan Project. lol

He invaded Russia, that was a major fail even though he was well aware of Napoleon's failure when he tried to invade Russia. This proved Einstein right when he said Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

He grossly underestimated America and declared war on us. Must have irked him to have cripple FDR beat the pants off him. After all if FDR had been in Germany he would have been sent to the gas chamber.

Definitely underestimated Britain's stamina, Brits would have gone down fighting to the last man before they'd surrender.

Wind Talkers(code talkers) never had their code cracked so I guess Hitler and company weren't smarter than the average Navajo. Once again this blows his white superiority theory out of the water.

What does this prove? That the creator of the Third Reich and everything it stood for was catastrophically wrong in his thinking and as a conservative I shouldn't give anything that moron said the time of day.

 

Yes, epic fail. I'm sure Trump will do much better.

 

Trump has way more in common with the hypocritical extremist alt right.

 

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Oh, the irony!

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Onus is entirely on you to prove that the source is extremist alt right.

 

This false comparison keeps showing up.

This is what the Nazi's believed in: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

I'll summarize it for you, and you tell us what political party this reminds you of:

a living wage;
government provided public education;
government provided health care (single payer);
government funded retirement;
corporate profit sharing with employees;
no unearned income, no war profiteering, no land rent;
government taking of any land needed for the "common purpose";
freedom of religion as long as it does not offend (keep your religion out of the public square);
abolishment of "fake news" ("We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press.")

Does that sound like conservatives? Or the "progressives"?

 

I thought these were all very good things being put forth by the Nazis. What's wrong with them?

 

Your first link is citing LifeSiteNews as a source which is an utterly discredited source.

The second is also quoting discredited information that abortion causes cancer.

Then there is the simple fact that the math is bogus in the allegation!

http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...a-republican-says-without-kkk-or-holocaust-a/

 

It is a well established FACT that the Republicans financed and enabled Hitler:



https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_Hitler.pdf






And, as always, remember that Professor Sutton, the man who wrote that book, was a CONSERVATIVE.

 

This thread still going?

 

Funny stuff that ^^.

 

Since 1973 ~ 16 million died from abortion. In that time period the next largest cause of death was heart disease and ~ 3 million. And for every 1000 births there were 500 abortions. Those are facts per the CDC. But its telling when the first lines are attacks on the sources. What exactly are these articles misrepresenting ??

 

Spot on! This shows how oppressive regimes have much more in common with liberal progressives than anyone.