Question about this forum for regulars

Oh, I agee that many regulars seem to be very pro Russian, I'd have to assume some others are paid conservative trolls as well. But with the election over, I also imagine their ranks have shrunken as well. The group I find still prolific are the pro Islamists who try to "expose" western hypocrisy ...

 

Integrity? You want to make integrity an issue in the last election? I suspect it was, which is one of the reasons hillary lost. You can blast your belief about trumps integrity all you want, but in the polls, hills has none.

But you are quite right about the propaganda stream from the media, attempting to tell people how to vote. Too bad it didn't work this time.

“State propaganda, when supported by the educated classes and when no deviation is permitted from it, can have a big effect. It was a lesson learned by Hitler and many others, and it has been pursued to this day.” ~Noam Chomsky

The United States is unusual among the industrial democracies in the rigidity of the system of ideological control - "indoctrination," we might say - exercised through the mass media. ~Noam Chomsky

 

Yup. The proverbial pendulum swings...

Yup. (Truth be told, I miss the folks who leaned so far left that they were falling over; people like Andrew Jackson).

Yeah, the deplorables typically have better things to do than be obsessed with political infighting. Is America great or what?

An echo of the views of dairyair, which I agree with: natural ebb and flow...

Political wonks of a centrist / moderate persuasion tend to enjoy considering the positions and arguments of the partisans, and I believe a good many don't feel the need to place their own positions / arguments into the arena unless actually pressed to do so. I also believe that there are a many more "centrists" than the partisans would wish to acknowledge.

I believe my views on abortion to be centrist. In a nutshell: I do not believe abortions should receive public funding, I don't believe that the Roe v. Wade decision was in keeping with the constitution, and in a majority of situations I'd discourage women from going the abortion route. That said, now that Roe has been decided, I believe that abortions should remain safe and legal, that the decision of whether to abort a pregnancy should be left to a woman and her healthcare provider, and that the alternatives would represent a significant safety risk to the mother. So yes, I manage to get attacked by those on both the right and left...

Those who complain the loudest about "integrity" are normally the same folks whose partisan views keep them from considering the proverbial "other side".

 

Actually I paid little attention then either, though I admit to being resigned to the rough ride I am now.....fortunately it was not as bad as anticipated and hopefully this will not be either.

 

I'd like to address your centrist comment. I think most Americans are center, center right and center left and not in either camp of the far right Republicans or far left Democrats. I think the rise in the number of independents as party affiliation drops confirms that to a certain extent. More and more Americans are feeling they don't have a home with either of what they now view as extremist political parties. Using Gallup's and Pew Research political party affiliations, in 2012 35% of Americans identified with the Democratic Party, 30% with the Republicans and 35% independent. This month Gallup is showing 29% Democrat, 28% Republican 40% independent. Go back to the 2004 and 2000 elections, they showed 30% of Americans as being independents. That is a rise of 10 points since 2000 and 5 points since 2012.

Independents were pretty steady from 1972 through 2004 at 30% of the electorate give or take a point or two. Independents were in the 20's from 1950 through 1972 and below 20% prior to that. 18% the first year pew started keeping track of these things back in 1939.

 

One can be anti-trump regardless of where he lays his head down at night.

 

There are two basic reasons for this. One is that many liberals on this sight that attacked anyone that believed that Trump was going to win the election, left the board when Trump won. I can only assume that they did not want to be constantly reminded that they were wrong. Some have returned with new Screen names, and many obviously haven't. At the same time, many conservatives that were tired of being attacked by the left tailored their comments. Now, that Trump has won the election, and the attackers have left, many of the right are a little more vocal about their belief. But rest assured that are enough liberals on this sight to keeps things juicy for your to come.

 

Haters gonna hate. Doesn't mean their hate is grounded in anything other than their addiction to dopamine like a drunk or a drug addict. That, however, isn't about political debate or discussion.

 

Its not really about hate, as it is about concern. Trump could have made a more intelligent cabinet, but didn't, has taken people who have cozied up to Wall Street, or only have lived in the corporate world, and put them in positions they couldn't begin to read all the books in the world to educate themselves on the role of their jobs. Not only is Trump a shot in the dark, his team is a shot in the dark as well. He isn't another Reagan, during the campaign he never showed signs of being Reagan-esk material.

 

Yes. And from my perspective, this is a very positive trend. It will take some time, but eventually I think political parties will go the way of the dodo bird...

 

The forum isn't run by the right or left. It's nonpartisan. As far as the visiting population (us), many of the liberal extremists left this site when their dear leader got destroyed in the election. MANY of them. Why?

They made threads like "Hillary by a land slide" and "Trump has no chance"...They are super embarrassed.

 

I hope you're right. The thing about our two major parties is they put the good of their political party over the good of the nation. They show more loyalty to their political party than country. Hence the polarization we have today, the out hate of one party for the other.

 

Most of us are thinking about quitting because Putin has said he is going to start paying us in rubles. I mean come on! Have you seen the exchange rate lately? We might as well be working for free. Although he did offer is free land in Crimea if we want to resettle.

 

Most of us are thinking about quitting because Putin has said he is going to start paying us in rubles. I mean come on! Have you seen the exchange rate lately? We might as well be working for free. Although he did offer us free land in Crimea if we want to resettle.

 

I sometimes wonder why more people don't disappear from these forums. I don't get how you can talk about politics and argue and fight every single day. Boooorrrriiiiinnnngggg. I'm kind of tired and bored with politics lately. It's always the same old, same old arguments, same old insults, same old, same old.

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I think I'm getting ready for another forum break for a while.

 

Yup there is some serious **** out there.

 

A "more intelligent cabinet" sounds like "people who agree with me instead of the other side." I have no clue what these people will do once they get sworn in. What I do know is that politicians seldom are in favor of killing their own job, so whatever it is they do can be changed four or 8 years down the road at worst. Obama seldom met with Congressional leaders or his cabinet, so I doubt Trump will be any more organized about his Presidency either. Sometimes putting a skeptic in charge of something gives them new insight. It all remains to be seen. I don't work for the government or depend on the government nor anticipate that the government will much affect my life one way or the other in any realistic way, so I wait and see.

 

Same old arguments??

Awww come on. Trump has provided more new debate material than us political junkies have had in a decade.

Russian hacking!
Tweeting president!
Unpredictable president!
Stunning upset election!!!
President's more intelligent and better looking children as his advisors!
President fighting with his own intelligence services!
I can't wait to see what's going to happen next. Every day I click on the news feeds with excitement and anticipation.

I mean these are exciting times!!

 

I've already talked about these things. How many times can you talk about the same things? Gets boring.

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Have you been/are you a member at any other political message boards?

 

I'm a member of some political groups which are located on a kink site. They've very active groups and I've been on them for years. Too I talk a lot of politics on VK. It's a good way for me to practice my European languages.

This is the first purely political group I've belonged too.

I can talk about politics and current events for a long time without getting bored.

 

Political kink groups, eh?

I get bored. I'm bored right now.

 

The groups themselves aren't kinky. They're just located on a site for kinksters. The site has hundreds of groups covering all kinds of topics. There's only so much a person can talk about spankings.

 

I'd rather talk about spankings than politics a lot of times lately, TBH.

 

I don't know though. Is spanking considered kinky? I've never really considered that to be kinky. It has to be a little weirder than that to be kinky to me!

There is another poster here who was talking about kinky sex earlier today too. I don't know, something about bondage and tickling.

Maybe love is in the air for the two of you?

 

Spanking itself isn't consider kinky by most. It's the accessories and technique used that make it kinky.

And if I wanted love I'd join eharmony

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And it looks like I've hijacked this thread. My bad OP. I'll try to get back on topic.