Dems vow to kill 50 state CCW reciprocity bill

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  1. thintheherd

    thintheherd New Member

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    Great answer, if you're 12.

    So explain to me o' wise one. Explain to me why rational adults should not have the right to do whatever they please so long as they do not violate the rights of others?

    And then explain to me by what authority you believe you have the right to preemptively restrict that freedom?

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    No, most don't care.
     
  2. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you think crack cocaine should be legal?

    suicide should be legal?
     
  3. Rucker61

    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    Why shouldn't suicide be legal? There's no law against it in any state.
     
  4. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    But you can also be detained against your will in every state for attempting it
     
  5. thintheherd

    thintheherd New Member

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    Drugs? Yes. Legalize all of them. The war on drugs is exactly why we have the current problems with them. Get them out into the daylight and punish those who violate the rights of others based on their use.

    And if one wishes to kill themselves, try as I might to convince them otherwise, who am I to deprive them of it? It's their life after all.

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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    The reality is, more and more states are jumping in the Constitutional Carry wagon or are turning into 'Shall Issue States'.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444212/constitutional-carry-states-adopting

    The Dems lost to Trump because they didn't wake up how out of touch they were with the American electorate. The trend is they are massively losing seats in state legislatures and governorships. Do you really think the reciprocity bill is where they will make a stand? Ok.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...vernors-state-legislature-seats-2016-election
     
  7. thintheherd

    thintheherd New Member

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    So, now that you have many failed attempts to appeal to extremes, have you turned around on the original topic?

    I know the answer, but it's fun to ask. :)

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  8. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    Sure. The party of no worked great for you guys.....now it's our turn
     
  9. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    unless there are some minimum requirements for CCW, like an FBI background check, some form of handgun situational training, Dems will filibuster this bill and it is dead dead dead
     
  10. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, the right way to deal with the second amendment is to use the amendment process. This nonsense one changes the constitution by Democratic party edict must end.
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    go ahead, pass a new amendment.

    you're more than welcome to
     
  12. Rucker61

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    They'd fight it no matter what. If it appeals to pro gun people, it has to be evil.
     
  13. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    Nope. Get ready to hear no. You will be hearing it a lot
     
  14. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gun control laws are unconstitutional. They infringe. That term is in the amendment. Shall not be infringed means just that.

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    It does not matter. I don't care if you say no a thousand times per day. It is infringing an amendment.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    every free American should be able to conceal their guns, they should not have to ask permission... PERIOD
     
  16. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would cut out all wiggle room. It would state Americans must always keep the right to own weapons.
     
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    Good luck with that
     
  18. Ronstar

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    I support national CCW reciprocity under the following conditions:

    -no more issuance of out-of-state CCW licenses.

    -all states must give FBI/finger print background check to all CCW holders.

    -all states must require a handgun training course and exam.

    unless these requirements are met, I will support the bill being filibustered.

    sorry.
     
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    this is the sort of dishonesty that caused the Democrats to lose. You don't have a valid argument against reciprocity. You don't even care about it What you don't like is the politics of gun owners and you see it as a game to oppose people on issues you don't care about because you are spiteful over gun owners helping defeat your beloved Hillary and give control of both houses to people who don't support the things that matter most to you.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It simply simplifies what Democrats appear to not understand. The amendment may not be infringed upon.

    I see no basis for Democrats to tamper with the second amendment.
     
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    translation. Ron lives in a state where that sort of crap is imposed on people who want to get a ccw and he's upset that other people in other states don't have to go through that crap. He doesn't have a logical reason for supporting such burdens and he cannot find any evidence that those requirements increase public safety. its the same attitude that made my former senior partner a multi millionaire in malpractice suits-making young doctors work 36 hours straight (leading to a 11 million dollar verdict due to a kid becoming brain dead due to a mistake). The defense of such practices? "WE had to do that when we were young doctors"
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sure we do.

    some states have barely any requirements.

    its unfair to require states with high crime to recognize CCWs from low crime states with barely any requirements.

    don't like it? amend the bill to be more fair
     
  23. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, the lot of us are all criminals as you see it. I can tell by your requirements. It will next be I must get a FBI check one more time in order to post.
     
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    The only thing that needs to be said is no. Sorry. Too bad. Lol
     
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    do you know what a Strawman is?
     

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