Milo Yiannopoulos disinvited from CPAC slot amid tape controversy

Great glad we agree, you would have saved some time had you said so earlier.

And it is a condrum in which the pro-abortion side places itself, a child is incapable of choosing to have sex but capable of choosing to ha e an abortion. Still waiting for a clear concise answer I have never received.

 

IOW, he did not say that "pedophilia was acceptable". There are countless examples of very abusive relationships that provide many benefits to the victims - which does not make them either "acceptable" or legal. I think you know that. If you don't Google Loretta Lynn and Moonie as I suggested.

The fact that Milo Y was the target of an organized violent campaign to silence him for his support for Trump should give every objective thinker on the forum pause before supporting what is clearly a campaign to not only silence its target with defamatory personal attacks but to also take away his career and livelihood.

 

You completely ducked my question.

Milo said that sex between an adult and a child gives the child "security and safety," and "provides them with love."

Regardless of whether or not you recognize that as saying that it is acceptable, do you agree with Milo on those things?

 

Read my post. I did not "duck your question" I answered it. Is it your position that criminal abusive relationships never involve love or provide some tangible benefit to the victim? Admit it - you know better.

Do you think that if a pedophile or any other kind of criminal abuser could prove that there were substantial benefits given to the victim and that the abuser actually "loved" the victim that this would mitigate the crime? That punishment should be reduced?

 

So you agree with Milo that adult/child sex provides the child with love, security, and safety. Good to know. Please stay away from children.

 

What age child are you talking about? What is the age of the person the child is going to have sex with?
There's the legal age limits, and then there is the human nature puberty limits of when a human wants and agrees to sex.

A teenage person is capable of choosing to have sex. Actually, teenage children have been having sex since the dawn of humans.
More accurately, once one reaches puberty, one is capable of choosing to have sex. And actually desires it.

 

You may rest assured that's not the issue. I just prefer not to know any more about where you're coming from than I do already.

How very amusing.

 

I imagine in some cases that might be true. To a child who is orphaned and no adult parents or abused, if an adult comes along and shows love and caring to the child, there may be some children that is true for.

Was Milo orphaned or without parents? Or perhaps abused by someone adult?

 

A year earlier, Milo also laughed at ritualized child rape - of adults making very young children swallow semen and enduring anal rape and said: "sounds great!" "sounds fantastic!"

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Q: “you are advocating for cross-generational relationships here, can we be honest about that?”

A: "Yeah, I don’t mind admitting that."

 

Yep. The sad thing is that the defamation was accomplished largely by the inability of people (on both the left and the right) who are plainly unable to think clearly and logically about what statements do and do not mean.

There is a reason that so many high tech jobs require people to immigrate to fill them; there is a shortage of Americans who are intellectually and educationally capable of critical thinking and producing logically valid thoughts. Worse yet, there is a surplus of people who pointedly avoid thinking anything that does not agree in all ways with things they already think, and often have been told to think.

Very sad.

 

Yes, Milo Y marched right into the free fire zone where a united bipartisan American political establishment could finally finish of one of their most annoying critics.

 

Nobody, not Yiannapoulos, not anyone on this thread, said the sex provides love, security, etc., but rather that people in the relationship do. I hope you are able to recognize the difference. (People are not sex.)

No relationship is all good, and very few are all bad. If this were not the case, the problem of abusive relationships would be easier to fix.

I worked for Child Protective Services (CPS) of Texas, and had to wade neck deep in other people's abusive relationships. I guarantee you that abuse is not mutually exclusive of love and beneficial care. There are a lot of people who actually love their offspring, provide them with undeniable positives (nourishing food, nice home, good private school education, and even happy experiences) but also physically abuse (beat) or sexually abuse those same offspring. One can say these things without endorsing or excusing the abuse, and without being logically inconsistent.

I wrote many reports that had to say just that, and those reports were still used in court to remove the child or the parent from the home.

If love and abuse were mutually exclusive, abusive relationships would be easier for outsiders to identify and stop, they would be less common, and they would be less fraught with emotional conflict for victims like Yiannapoulos. Sometimes the victims work the hardest to hide the abuse precisely because of the love and benefits they get from the relationship. I had clients (victims) who were upset and even angry after the sexual abuser confessed, because they wanted the benefits of the relationship to continue.

How F***ed up is that!

Being against 28-year olds having sex with 13-year olds is not mutually exclusive of engaging in rational thought, nor does it necessitate willfully inserting false implications into other people's statements, or oversimplifying the situation.

 

Yes, Milo did.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.reds...l-relationships-older-men-unedited-video/amp/

 

Thanks for the link to a transcript! It is so much easier than listening to recordings.

I still could not find where in the interview Yiannapoulos said that the sex provides love, security, etc. If you could provide the quote you mean it would be helpful to our conversation.

 

Ffs.

some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, those kind of coming-of-age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable — a sort of a rock for when they can’t talk to their parents.

Do you think he's talking about playing scrabble?

 

BS. Now you're just straight up lying.

Milo Yiannopoulos:

“This arbitrary and oppressive idea of consent which totally destroys, you know the understanding of many of us have the complexities and subtleties and complicated nature of many relationships.”

“You know people are messy and complex and actually, in the homosexual world particularly. Some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, that sort of coming of age relationships.”

“The relationships with those with older men have helped those young boys discover who they are. And give them security and safety, provide them with love and reliable and sort of a rock. Where they can’t […] parents. Some of those relationships are some of the most…”

An unknown man responds to Milo in the interview:

“It Sounds like Catholic Priest molestation to me”.

Milo Yiannopoulos responds:

“And you know what I am grateful for Father Michael, I would not nearly give such good head if it wasnt for him [This is a euphemism for male oral sex].”

Unknown man responds:

“And yet here you are talking about how, look, you know some of these kids that get diddled by these priests is a good thing for them. They are getting this love. They are also getting … d*ck.”

Milo Yiannopoulos:

“You’re misunderstanding what pedophilia means. Paedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13-years old who is sexually mature. Paedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty. Pedophilia is a attraction to people who don’t have functioning sex organs yet. Who have not gone through puberty. Who are too young to be able to understand. That is not what we are talking about.”

Unknown man responds:

“You are advocating cross-generational relationships here. Can we be honest about that?

Milo Yiannopoulos responds:

“Yeah I dont mind saying… I don’t mind admitting that. And I think particularly in the gay World and outside the Catholic Church if that is where some of you wanna go with this. I think in the gay World some of the most important enriching and incredibly the… mm … you know life affirming, important shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences.”​

 

I'm sorry I don't follow are you saying that children should be able to choose to have sex? Say 13 and above?

 

I find it quite disturbing that poster worked for Child Protective Services.

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Instead of answering questions with a question, why don't you answer the first two queries posed in that post you quote.

 

The ages we are talking about are perfectly clear throughout the thread and don't need to be stipulated again but then I did give him an age to start with.

So instead of answering my question the poster could just answer. How about you.

And it is a conundrum in which the pro-abortion side places itself, a child is incapable of choosing to have sex but capable of choosing to have an abortion. Still waiting for a clear concise answer I have never received.

 

Children do choose to have sex. Usually after puberty. I've never known a generation in history of mankind to have those that have reached puberty to never have sex until some determined age. Have you?
Sure some have, some never have sex, but that is no way near the norm.

So, I am saying children do choose to have sex. There is no way to stop them from having sex.

 

So you can't clarify..you're just interested in playing a round robin game.

The questing posed was pretty direct, as you keep wobbling -- when you said "a child is incapable of choosing to have sex"

Simply put ---> Originally Posted by dairyair
What age child are you talking about? What is the age of the person the child is going to have sex with?

Those are not really hard questions to answer, in reference to your assertion, but you seem to be con-fused.

Want to take an honest stab at it?

 

Thanks for finding the quote you meant.

I am going to assume that you are past the age of puberty, that you have had sex, and that at least some of that sex was a part of a more complex relationship than just occasionally getting together to have orgasms.

If all of my assumptions are correct, then you should have sufficient experience to understand that most sexual relationships are not only about sex.

Moreover, as a sex-inclusive relationship lasts longer, sex usually becomes a smaller and smaller percentage of the relationship, and other aspects of the relationship become increasingly important. Yes, some of that might include playing scrabble, but also conversation, laughter, dancing, cooking and eating together, and all the normal parts of life that friends share with each other, usually including at least some real emotional intimacy.

In fact, it is common, (and it used to be the rule in the US) that months or even years of increasingly close friendship precede sex. It is conceivable that in many cases, the sorts of beneficial aspects of the relationships Yiannapoulos describes began before the sex.

Given how marginalized some homosexual teens are, and how crazy religious and judgmental some of their parents are, I can see how many would turn for guidance and support to older adults they trust not to be judgmental. When I was teaching, one of my students, a Mormon son of a US Marine, came out to me. I was the first adult he had ever told that he was gay. He was concerned about whether he was broken and sinful, about how to deal feelings he had for other students, about whether or not his parents would love him if they found out, about whether his father would kick him out of the house. The poor kid was only 14.

In a purely professional way, I helped him discover who he was, gave him some security and safety, and provided him with a reliable rock for when he could not talk to his parents.

I know there were a lot of his questions and concerns I, as a straight guy, could not help with.

It makes sense that gay teens would often turn to older homosexuals for this support. I assume you can see how important this aspect of support and understanding can be to scared and confused teens, who do not have sufficient models for constructing identities that include homosexuality. As much to the point, there is nothing in most sex education curricula to answer a lot of standard questions, so these relationships can absolutely include the benefits Yiannapoulos describes.

Absolutely this does not imply that these benefits are a function of the sex, nor does it imply that any sex with this adult is ever a good thing.

The guidance/mentorship and the sex are two separate things that coincide. Neither the benefits of the one, nor the detriments of the other invalidate each other. Moreover, acknowledgment of the benefits of the one, does not imply approbation of the other.

 

Nope.

Where in this text does Yiannapoulos say that sex provides love, security, etc.? I did not see it anywhere.

He does say, "relationships with those with older men have helped those young boys discover who they are. And give them security and safety, provide them with love and reliable and sort of a rock. "

He also says, "life affirming, important shaping relationships very often between younger boys and older men, they can be hugely positive experiences."

A relationship is not sex. They are different things, and you know it.

Even in a relationship that includes sex, there is more to the relationship than sex. Anyone who has ever been in a relationship that includes sex knows that. The fact that the sex should not happen does not change whether there is value in the rest of the relationship. Again, anyone who has ever been in a relationship that includes sex knows that.

I can only conclude you are willfully misunderstanding Yiannapoulos' statements and willfully misunderstanding my statements, or you have only a tenuous understanding of the English language, or you have never been in a relationship that includes sex.

 

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You talking about a "relationship" -- of which Milo certainly advocates includes involving sex, between seventh graders and adults.

What is wrong with you?

 

Need I remind you again Milo laughed at the practice of ritualized child rape - of adults making very young children swallow semen and enduring anal rape and said: "sounds great!" "sounds fantastic!"