EU leaders agree to extend Russia sanctions over Ukraine

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  1. vis

    vis Well-Known Member

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    Agree.
     
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    That was before, this is now, besides when you have....1500000000 people's, it is it's own judge, jury, executioner. Just like former SU during WW2, easy to fight and be a great general when you had TONS of bodies to throw at your enemy.
     
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    1. No country in the world has all the most advanced technologies In all spheres. Neither Germany, nor Japan .... neither Russia nor the US.
    2. The chemical industry is one of the most dynamically developing industries in the Russian industry. The last time the decline in production for the year in the industry was observed in 2009. After that, for seven years, chemical production only increased, despite periodic accidents at major chemical enterprises, to a collapse in raw material prices in world markets, currency fluctuations, instability in the domestic market and a difficult economic situation, both in Russia and beyond its.
    3. Cellular operators are of course sharks, but in Russia there is an opportunity to choose the tariff you need. There are people (for example, invalids, minors .. etc) who do not leave the boundaries of their region most of the time of the year. Given the fact that the regions of Russia are larger than some European countries - this is not surprising. Is not it? And these people have the opportunity to pay for cellular services at low prices. Is it bad?
    In addition, I know that many have a phone with two SIM cards. With different tariffs. For use within the region and for roaming. With this there are no problems.
    For example, I connected the service "megaphone" - unlimited Internet costs 0,075 (5 rubles) euro / day or 2,25 euros / month. 4G Technology.
     
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    Thousands of bodies were thrown at the enemy by American generals. For example, the disgraceful operation of Overlord, or the battle in the Ardens....You can also recall Pearl Harbor .... Especially considering the fact that Roosevelt knew about the impending attack .... He admitted the murder of the American fleet. In order to have an occasion to attack Japan.
     
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    This idiot in White House can demand what he wants ... also we can make up a bill against him for the use of bases in our country, for example Ramstein, which we pay all the time, eh?

    And who is not off with Trump at least? Only mentally short minded people who believe every BS and ignore facts totally, particularly if hurting their faith into Ronald MacDonald!
     
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    No, the problem is that in the USA many have still the cold war area in mind and the enemy ship with Moscow was never really ended.
    So far as Russia was weak until Yelcin, no one disturbs about them and also the USA ignored Russia and its will much. But since Putin changed this all and takes for Russia the same rights of acting like the USA in the world, the old cold war memory woke up and the USA has a big problem to accept that anyone else on this planet takes for himself the same rights as they demand to have!

    But is Trump forced for his actions against Russia? Yes and No! Yes, because he backs his power on the votes of the righties and far righties for whom is Moscow still the center of evil! No, because he can act much smarter and can simple do what he told to do with his deal makings, but there is until now only hot air coming!
     
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    The whole bloody world is laughing at us, and with good reason. But the West is so neurotically obsessed with Russia it doesn't notice
     
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    Voltairenet, Sputnik news? :-D
     
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    Do not be fooled. You can not. You are occupied. And Ramstein is proof of this.
     
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    ROFL ... Has your brain been somehow in winter sleep since 1991 and did not you notice anything? Apparently ...
     
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    Really. Do you really think that the Germans are solving something in international politics?...Even Putin said that European issues should be solved with Washington. Because, for example, Germany can only be negotiated after her consultations with the White House. Your government is at a loss imposing sanctions against Russia. Is this not evidence of a vassal.
     
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    You have to be really dumb to laugh at sanctions, it's going to hurt Russian people badly, of course the elites who are the real problem won't be affected... Russian people will suffer, nothing funny about it.
     
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    O yeah ... you missed really many things since 1991! :roflol:
     
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    Maybe it's you dumb? Russian is very good with sanctions. Even great. The industry of Russia is growing, agriculture is growing.... New jobs, increased demand for goods, etc. Growth of incomes of the population. Particularly employed in agriculture. For example, Russia is now No.1 in the world for wheat exports. And this is thanks to sanctions.

    Do not read the Western media. It's bad for the brain.
     
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    How can reduced trade be better for your economy. Sanctions and economic growth are oxymorons, you're faking it D...
     
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    Or not really bother too much, but buy a different brand from another country. Or indeed have rival countries products banned in return so that domestic industry has less competition from abroad.

    My country laughs at EU sanctions, why wouldn't Russia?
    Sell to China. Save all the holier than thou. You will "suffer" if you don't do as I say.
    No mate. Your competition will prosper in your place, if you don't stop being a dick.
     
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    You're fooling yourself, sanctions have crushed the Ruble by 50% and oil prices have also worked against Russia... nothing to laugh at. This is how much Crimea has cost Russia, don't think the Russians are not paying rent for their occupation of Crimea.

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    Here's Russia after the Soviet Union Collapse to today.... look at the early 2000's! Wow that's awesome, imagine if you didn't invade Ukraine, where would that chart be now? You guys could have all been very well off, oh well...you absolutely need Crimea even though it cost you an arm and a leg... it was probably worth it.
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    Although the investments dropped with the sanctions, the latter stimulate the development of own industry and agriculture. By the way, the sanctions effect not only Russia, but also West, and not in a good way. Of course,Crimea is worth much more than some small inconviniences related to the sanctions.
     
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    It stimulates internal industry and agriculture because they're out of options, but it can never make up for the loss, which is far bigger than that what replaces it internally. If it did then the chart wouldn't dip so low, it would flatline.

    Good at least Crimea is worth the average Russian's suffering, not sure if they would say the same thing but certainly if you don't have to go "inconveniently" hungry you'd think it's worth it.
     
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    I don't know if I'd say "can never". Annexing Crimea was worth alot. Possibly priceless. This below says it best. The article explains Putins possible motivations quite well I think.

    Three plausible interpretations of Putin’s move have emerged. The first—call it “Putin as defender”—is that the Crimean operation was a response to the threat of NATO’s further expansion along Russia’s western border. By this logic, Putin seized the peninsula to prevent two dangerous possibilities: first, that Ukraine’s new government might join NATO, and second, that Kiev might evict Russia’s Black Sea Fleet from its long-standing base in Sevastopol.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2016-04-18/why-putin-took-crimea?amp
     
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    When I say "can never" what I'm referring to is internal manufacture/production can never make up for the effect sanctions have on a country, due to differences in productivity and labour. Some countries are more cost and labour effective when it comes to production. They may be able to produce the same products but labour costs are frequently higher... also your currency drops 50% means you are paying twice as much for raw materials, and everything else you need for manufacture.

    As far as Crimea goes, Russia have lost billions from sanctions and will lose billions more,(more sanctions on the way) from a military strategic standpoint Crimea is of great benefit to Russia but personally I think they would have done much better negotiating a 100 year lease with Ukraine, from a financial standpoint anyway.

    Their economy was booming and now it's sinking.... it's an enormous price to pay.

    Also you need to ask yourself, why does Russia need to be "poised" militarily for attack if they're such a peaceful country?

    ps also don't forget by taking Crimea from Ukraine they are removing that strategic advantage from Ukraine, like stealing the crown jewels.
     
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    Hey these idiots want ww3. If my own kids and grandkids would not die, I wouldn't be adverse to these pro war people getting what they want and dying when the nukes go off. They would just get what they wanted, right? And these madmen had it coming. Justice served.
     
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    Let's see...

    1. A 100 year lease would immediately be nullified if Ukraine joins NATO. You know.. Like if we get evicted from a house since we don't own it. Then Russia loses the Sevastopol port. Kinda.. obvious. ( strike one)

    2. Why do you have "poised" in quotes? You make it sound like Russia needs Crimea or the Ukraine to pounce on people. It's defensive. If the Ukraine joins NATO? It would be literally impossible for Russia to defend vital infrastructure and key cities. ( strike two)

    3. Russia stole the crown jewels from the Ukraine? Their strategic advantage? Why would Russia care about that? It's any governments job to see to its own interests not others. ( strike three)

    Your opinion is out. Next batter!
     
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