Turkey summons Russia, Iran envoys over Idlib violence

Diplomats summoned in Ankara to express Turkey's 'discomfort' about Syrian army attacks in Idlib, Turkish sources say.

Russia's ambassador to Ankara, Alexei Yerkhov and Iranian ambassador Mohammad Ebrahim Taherian Fard were called in to express Turkey's "discomfort" about the attacks in Idlib, officials, who asked to remain anonymous, said on Tuesday.

Turkey had previously voiced its discontent to Russian and Iranian officials via military and diplomatic channels about the government forces' violations of de-escalation zones, according to the sources.

Source: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...an-envoys-idlib-violence-180110075507643.html

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Well, we all knew that we could never trust Russia but some of our nationalists were pretty excited going against America for the first time in their life time, so they just couldn't help jumping head on to wage war against the US from the Eurasian front.

Here... Now they can shove the advantage they once had in Syria right up to their holes... Because they lost it all to dishonest Russia...

Look how Russia sneaks around the promises and official agreements they made: They know they can't breach them so they back Syrian forces instead to capture the de escalation zones under Turkish control and say; "hey it's their land in the first place, pajalusta"... Oh yeah Sergay? Then why don't you hand over your zones to your beloved Assad? Huh dude? Go give back all those zones you hold on to with your Molly Mullahs to the good puppy Assad... I can't believe these motherfcrs think everybody as stupid as they are... Let me remind them:

DON'T FORGET KARLOV!

 

I long suspected Putin hadn't really forgiven the sultan for brutally shooting down his fighter, now I see I was correct.

Erdogan will pay for what he has done. You don't cross Putin without paying for it.

 

I will just say this: some of the folks who post here are hard to figure out!

In the meantime, while there are other battles that lie ahead, the battle for Syria is over. Someone needs to remind the Turks since they are beginning to act as though they have forgotten this fact!

 

@goody As far as I remember, you was the one excited about Eurasian union here.

 

Hey Goody, those deescalation zones were to protect the areas from the terrorists so the land could go back to the Syrian people, remember? They weren't meant for a land grab by Turkey. I should think that after what Turkey did to Syria, Erdogan should be satisfied if he gets even a thank you.

In the meantime Erdogan has a bigger problem than his land grab from Syria, and that's the Kurdish land grabs on his border backed by the US. This is what he said today in Elazig, Turkey: (Strange Al Jazeera didn't tell you?)

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan today said that his country might launch a military operation in Afrin and Manbij in northern Syria if the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) do not withdraw.

" We will take the matter in our own hands until there are no terrorists left. They will see what we'll do in about a week," Erdogan said.

"If the terrorists in Afrin don't surrender we will tear them down," Erdoğan said.

The YPG are the Syrian branch of the Turkish Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) who are designated as a terrorist organization by not only Turkey, but also the United States. However, hypocritically, the United States directly supports, arms and funds the YPG. This is a major reason for tensions between Washington and Ankara.

"The U.S. sent 4,900 trucks of weapons in Syria. We know this. This is not what allies do," Erdoğan said. "We know they sent 2,000 planes full of weapons, he added.

Erdoğan has continuously said that he will not tolerate the formation of an independent Kurdish state on its border that can threaten to see eastern Turkey separate and join a new Kurdish state.​

 

Goody, Putin says the drones that attacked the Russian bases were meant to split Turkey with Russia. By the same reasoning, do you think the attacks on Turkish troops might not have been the Syrian forces, and were done by others with the intent to split Russia with Turkey?

If though the Syrian troops were really backed by Russia, does it mean that maybe Turkey was involved someway in the drone attack... and that having the Syrians attack the Turks is payback? Russia never mentions names or makes accusations, it just retaliates in a very harsh way. I would think you would know that by now, I do?

 

The Syrian Government is ignoring the de-escalation zone and pushing hard into this area. The rebels in Idlib was suppose to be part of talks in Sochi later this month. Wonder if this is a halfhearted attempt by Turkey... "ehh.. you're not really suppose to be doing that" or whether they are concerned about the number of refugees heading their way... Iran and Russia doing nothing to stop the Syrian Government... some Guarantor's they are. The only thing they've guaranteed is to strengthen Assad so he can violate the agreement in place.

a new wave of refugees

 

Turkey just needs to butt out on what goes on in Syria. Syria still is a sovereign nation, and Russia and Iran are attacking terrorists on it's behalf. Everybody else has illegally invaded it.

 

I really don't have to reply to this funny post as it automatically refutes itself well:

A nation is never sovereign if it is not the sole party defending its own territory... On behalf of my ass... Haha...

Turkey has 911 km long border to Syria, a country containing zillions of different terror groups acting "on behalf of" Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia, US, Israel etc... We are gonna hit Syria even harder... And you will just sit there and watch....

 

I never jumped head on... I always keep in mind how it is a package of conflict of interests with Russia when geopolitical realities of both countries start working. I don't say it's total disagreement or can't be worked on to solve issues out...

 

Why am I so hard to figure out now? Is it because l expect Iran helping out Syria as it claims it is by being there and give back Syria the zones and lands its been holding on, as of course part of its "alleged" respect to the sovereignty of Syria?????? Why should Turks have to do it but not the Pers?

 

Why wasting your time by bringing up sht already addressed, pointed out and given answers to? Here:

I wonder if Duran's pathetically weak minds have anything to say about this... Lol...

 

I didn't know your kind could actually suspect... Sorry... My bad...

 

We don't give no sht to the refugees... Tho they are not even big of an issue here... At least not as big as while Iran and Russia still holding on tight to their zones Assad is attempting to get back Turkish held zones...

 

Really? Does he also say what it comes to mean when he rests his Russian ass on his own deescalation zones Assad is taking over Turkish controlled zones out of nowhere? Huh? Or should we just wait for Sputnik to be done with working on the Pravda to answer that? I think the latter is affordable...

Maybe it's Putin himself who should figure those drones were meant to split Russia and Turkey... He seriously didn't seem to consider that possibility by turning his head away when Assad started to grab my zone there... He's kind of having fun... Do you think Karlov is having fun too?

 

I don't think I'd go that far. Neighboring countries will have problems if a government is massacring their citizens or if government attacks are causing large numbers of refugees to enter neighboring countries. Not saying this is what is happening....

 

I think Turkey is concerned about losing its intended role as a regional power. Poor Erdogan has been left out, marginalized. Such a blow to his overinflated pride.

Russia and Iran are seemingly making a big mistake here. Turkey is not some third world country to be kept on a tight leash by bullies. Erdogan will settle for nothing less than equal partnership, preferably slightly more equal than others. Unlike Assad, who has no choice but do what he's told, Erdogan has a plethora of other options at his disposal. He's very careful not to burn bridges.

 

If Assad was doing what he's told then we wouldn't be seeing thousands fleeing Idlib. Turkey is concerned about the YPG and 100 000 or more refugees heading it's way.

Related but not part of this thread is the attack on Russia's Khmeimim base

Russia knows who staged attacks on Syrian base & it’s not Turkey – Putin

I think it's Syrian Government trying to frame Turkey ^^^^ Assad the puppet is not dancing to the masters tune
https://www.rt.com/news/415641-putin-syria-base-attack-turkey/

 

That's just your opinion. The Syrian government asked them to help out. So that is that.

Oh... Turkey and Israel are going to say what Russia and Iran can and can not do? lol

Last time I checked Turkey had a terrible time when Russian tourists did not want to come because of Putin. It cost them billions upon billions.

 

Well, back to your first post. Sorry, but it looks we don't deal with sort of angels. I'm not sure Moscow has any moral obligations in respect of Turkey or its proxies in Syria. Actually, that were they who shot down the Su-24. Erdogan ordered that, the Syrian Turkmen did it. They showed a lot of joy that day, didn't they? Several years ago Erdogan called Assad a friend, a brother, their families shared vacations... And then what? No need to name all definitions on Assad from Turkey today. Besides, Erdogan is one of those ones who started all this trouble in Syria. He, along with USA and Gulf countries, supported anti-government forces - despite the fact that Kurds could gain independence from Damascus in that mess. That was inevitable - if a central government in Damascus falls, Kurdistan becomes independent. It was so obvious, it was such a thing against the natural Turkey's national interests, Turkey's security - I have no idea what Erdogan counted for in that game? Now he threatens to launch a war on YPG (because that's all what he can do), but I think he won't dare to strike it for real. In this sense - should Russia care about Turkey's interests more than Turkey does? Erdogan drove himself and Turkey into a trap where he doesn't have a choice, this is result of his own policy, his own actions, his relations with Turkey's neigbours. And I think there is clear understanding in Moscow that Erdogan is just a situational partner tightened between West and Russia. Turkey has a lot of links to the West, Turkish army consists of officers who learned in the USA. Tureky's coming back to the West is just a matter of time, IMO. It only depends on when the West gets back its common sense. So, Erdogan is just a temporary ally seeking for opportunity to get rid of our "friendship", that's how it looks from Moscow. IMO.

 

Would you say the ethnic cleansing of Syrian Sunnis has been a success?

 

Duplicate.

 

Turkey has taken in 2 million Syrian refugees.. The were also over run with Iraqi refugees in both our Gulf Wars. What are you thinking?

 

Turkey has invaded Syria with it's army. So they got no grounds to complain about any of this.

 

They can complain at their NATO partner the US, for causing the instability and present them the bill.