Trump budget chief at a loss on military pay

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  1. funkytrip

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    87% of Americans want those illegal dreamers become permanent citizens. GOP shutdown for something their constituents want too. Total failure.
     
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    You can shout that out all you want but the fact remains GOP HAS FAILED. You frikkin' RULE EVERYTHING. Yet you can't even keep the government open and blame the minority on it.

    Maybe you should stop trying to lead and give the government to a group of people who actually know what they do despite 6 years of fighting against 8 years of GOP obstruction because they're stuck in an ideology from the 50s while the rest of the world has changed?

    Frikkin' dinosaurs. they died out you know.
     
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    Your ignorance is showing
     
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    Wrong once again. The Shutdown impacts the Military. National Guard wont get paid. US Army Aviation will be shut down except for Essential Missions and Intelligence will be affected and they wont get paid.


    How The Military Is Affected By The Government Shutdown

    President Obama signed a bill ensuring members of the military will be paid during the government shutdown, but here are some other effects of the shutdown.

    U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin, Democrat from Illinois, says soldiers need intelligence to carry out their missions but the CIA, like other government agencies, is losing employees due to the shutdown.

    "All DoD work will stop on weapons and equipment maintenance not directly related to war, bases will not be maintained and we will see a degradation of facilities," he said. "You'll see massive disruptions all across this country." While the Defense Department will continue to operate with service members and essential employees after a shutdown, Durbin said a gap in funding would "cripple our intelligence community." "We rely on their agencies to warn us of threats, to prevent terrorist attacks and inform leaders making critical national security decisions," he said.

    About 400,000 civilians, including tens of thousands in California, would be furloughed and would be paid retroactively only after congressional approval, according to the Los Angeles Times. The Department of Homeland Security is planning to furlough just less than 14% of its employees.

    Fort Bragg, North Carolina, the home of the 82nd Airborne Division, plans to put about 38% of its civilian workforce on furlough if the shutdown goes forward, Bragg officials said Monday.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarr...ll-affected-by?utm_term=.xtKPBw1QJ#.afn5LpYJA



    Weapons and equipment maintenance will shut down, military intelligence operations would stop and training for most of the reserve force would be put on hold, he said. And any National Guard forces heading out to do weekend training duty around the country will arrive at armories and be told to go home......snip~

    https://www.stripes.com/news/here-s...-military-dod-civilians-and-veterans-1.507494

    That takes care of the Military part. Now for your other issue.



    The Constitution does not guarantee birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants. Moreover BO peeps massive visa giveaway is illegal.


    Immigration-watchers will remember the two leaked memos (here and here) from 2010, written in an eerily similar tone and format, advising top DHS appointees on how to implement what eventually became the President’s 2012 DACA amnesty program. Another leaked document from this past summer, has been followed up with an announcement on the Unified Agenda that a rulemaking will be announced very soon. Then there’s the series of programs the President’s unilaterally implemented, or is trying to, all of which are intended to undercut the visa programs established by Congress. When DHS threatens to finesse the immigration law, we know that it should be taken seriously.

    The internal memo says that DHS can give work permits to anyone from “individuals who are physically present in the United States,” including “those who have entered without inspection”, to “individuals who are in lawful nonimmigrant status at the time of filing the EAD”, e.g., those on temporary H-1B visas [Employment Authorization Document—the statutory term for work permits]. Since the memo’s leak, a DHS spokesperson has come forward saying the document’s indeed genuine but that the American public really shouldn’t be taking it seriously. I wish that was consoling.

    Section 274A was added to the INA following the Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA) amendments of 1986. The provision lists exceptions to IRCA’s general rule that it’s illegal for US employers “to hire, or to recruit or refer for a fee, for employment in the United States an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien.” IRCA defines an “unauthorized alien” as an alien who is not “lawfully admitted for permanent residence” or an alien that is not “authorized to be so employed by this chapter or by the Attorney General.” (emphasis mine). It is this four-word phrase that’s key. These four words have taken on a magical quality under President Obama. In spite of IRCA’s general rule against employing illegal aliens, they claim this phrase gives the attorney general (now the DHS secretary) the statutory power to grant work permits to anyone he wants, including illegal aliens.

    IRCA and other provisions of the INA specify that certain illegal aliens, such as refugees, may obtain legal-resident status. There are also other provisions that authorize or require the secretary to provide those aliens with EADs. According to law professor John Eastman, the only logical interpretation of the phrase “by the Attorney General” then, is that it refers back to the detailed exemptions of section 274A, which, again, specifies when the secretary is allowed to grant EADs.

    Eastman also notes that in IRCA’s legislative history there is “no discussion whatsoever” of the four-word phrase “by the Attorney General”—a strange omission considering the sweeping authority it supposedly gives to the secretary. In contrast, the provisions in IRCA that outlined the criteria for its amnesty-mandate were both “hotly contested” at the time and “finely wrought,” Eastman found. If this wasn’t the case and it was Congress’s actual intention to delegate absolute, unfettered discretion to the secretary in granting EADs, Eastman writes, “none of the pages and pages of carefully circumscribed exemptions would be necessary.”..

    Unsurprisingly, DOJ has refused to explain in its briefs in the Texas litigation (or in litigation with us) how the provision gives the Secretary such power, opting instead to simply conclude that it does. With this “discretionary power” issue now firmly decided to be non-existent by the Fifth Circuit, it’s highly likely the president’s entire immigration agenda and his amnesty legacy will all come crashing down.....snip~

    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...n-of-obamas-immigration-agenda-is-beyond-weak


    That should answer your question concerning DACA.
     
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    LMAO.....so what the Repubs are in Control. Look up history!

    Your Demos came to the negotiations with some slim shady going on. Not good faith based negotiating.

    Any way the Demos are eating it with the AP NY Times and CNN putting the blame squarely on them.
     
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    Glad you liked it
     
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    Not good faith negotiating? Kinda like Trump saying, repeatedly, that he agreed to a deal and then, during the private meeting, making a bunch of new demands?

    Do you remember when Trump said he would accept a "clean DACA bill" during those televised negotiations? I remember. Even if the White House intentionally decided to edit out that portion of the transcript.
     
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    Don't read more into it that it deserves. Just giving credit where credit is due.
     
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    No they don't. The majority of the nation except for some peeps like you, hiding in their bubble of alternative facts blame GOP, the party of NO. Newsflash: You're not the opposition knights who say NO anymore. You have to LEAD. But you don't....

    Dems: we should at least fund CHIP
    Reps: NO
    Dems: ok, we should pay service members.
    Reps: NO
    Dems: ok at least we should open the government & work on DACA
    Reps: NO
    Dems: pay fed employees?
    Reps: NO
    Dems: what about a bipartisa-
    Reps: DEM SHUTDOWN THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING
     
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    Democrats unnecessarily shut down the government over DACA. 56% don’t want govt shutdown over DACA.
     
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    :roll: That was until he saw that Demos would only fund his wall for a year. Seeing they would go with the slim shady.


    Trump also said even before then....that he hoped that they would do something about DACA and not attach it to a spending bill to fund the government. Which was before that meeting.

    Funny how you and your kind don't bring that up.
     
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    That's the point. Trump flipped and flopped multiple times in the span of 48 hours.

    And one of those flips was to initially demand funding for one year. Also to be OK with a clean DACA bill. And then he flopped because he was being whip sawed by his base.
     
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    LOL, only a lib would call negotiating a flip flop.
     
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    What happened to NBC?? They've consistently been on your fake list of organizations blaming the D's...

    #DontForgetNBC...
     
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    You make a demand. You get your demand. You change your demand.

    You flip flopped.

    It's pretty simple.
     
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    THIS^! My sons' girlfriend falls into this category. She's a friendly, well adjusted, and smart young woman now attending the University of Arizona (they met in high school). There is absolutely NO reason she should need to worry about deportation. In fact we need more people like her in America today.
     
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    You realize that website is tracking the influence of Russian bots, right?

    Thanks for proving the point.
     
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    Negotiating = demand. Liberal logic 101.
     
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    No it isn't fake. It is a website that specifically tracks the influence of Russian bots.
     
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    That’s OK, I was just told it is a fake news site.
     
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    That would explain it then. The poster continues to spread fake news on this site.
     

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