Looks like democrats have totally failed DACA people

In other words, no interest in resolving the issue, and nothing but political fraud to keep the talking points going in an election year.

 

Right, a dictator like decision on the part of Obama needs to be legitimized by actual legislation. Citizens are seeing that Democrats aren't interested in resolving the issue, only fanning the fires of it in order to use it in an election year.

 

Wut? They are not citizens and cannot vote. And like the russians it is illegal for them to interfere with elections. Send Mueller!!!

 

Don't confuse them with facts.

Fox Noise tells them that Trump tells them to tell the rubes that the crisis that Trump unilaterally created isn't being solved because Democrats won't "compromise" and agree to Trump's extremist positions.

No one takes this seriously outside of Trump and Fox world. It's obvious nonsense.

Trump caused the DACA crisis. And now, he's blocking efforts to fix it. We all know that.

I really wonder if Trump actually thinks he's fooling anyone with this stupid claim.

 

Correct. Repubs have no interest in resolving the issue, which is why they refused to pass the Immigration Reform Act in 2013 after it passed the Senate. After saying he would sign a DACA fix he was sent by the bi-partisan group working on the deal hard line immigration opponents among Repubs convinced Don not to agree to a compromise. Since then he has proposed things he knows Dems will not agree to to give the appearance he is negotiating. Clearly he has duped you again as he has so many times before.

 

Trump created the crisis.

You can rant about the "need to be legitimized by actual legislation".

But no one sued the Obama Administration over this Executive Order.

And in three years, the Republican Congress made NO move at all to address DACA, and clearly had no intention of doing so.

It still doesn't.

Which leaves Trump hoist on its own petard.

Without a fix, Trump is looking at watching images of mass deportations of people from the US.

And Trump will own it.

 

BS. Who is the gang of eight?

Why don't you post the reason the House didn't take action? Care to do that?

 

No one sued? Do you have any knowledge on this subject?

 

Because if Boehner had brought the bill to the floor for a vote it would have passed. But because the Freedom Caucus refused to go along with the provision providing for a path to citizenship Boehner invoked the Hastert Rule and refused to hold a vote, thus ensuring immigration would remain a hot button issue to keep the base agitated and denying Obama a legislative victory.......in keeping with congressional obstruction Repubs imposed on Obama throughout his presidency.

 

Why don't you also cite the border security provisions that were missing? For example, insuring improved border security took place before the provisions of the legislation were implimented?

I note you ran from your attempt to imply it was only Dems who created the 2013 legislation......

 

This has been the Republican strategy for decades now.

George W Bush implored his party to support immigration reform throughout his Presidency. DeLay and Hastert made sure nothing ever got to the floor.

McConnell and Ryan had every intention of doing the same thing, until Baby Trump came along and upset the apple cart.

 

You never get it right.

Title I - Border Security[edit]
Title I, which begins on page 33, covers changes being made to border security in the United States.[2] Some of the goals mentioned below are also addressed in the preceding sector One of the major provisions of S. 744 is a focus on increased border security, primarily dealt with in Title I. The bill establishes a goal of achieving a 90% success rate (Section 3(a)(3)) of intercepting and deporting undocumented immigrants who attempt to cross the border in one of the "High Risk Border Sectors" - places where more than 30,000 people cross per year (Section 3(a)(5)). In order to accomplish this, the bill would increase the number of CBP officers by 3,500 people by 2017, authorize the National Guard to participate in missions related to border security, fund additional surveillance and surveillance technology, and provide funding to build a border fence.

After the enactment of the bill (should it be enacted), the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has 180 days to write and submit two reports. First, the "Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy", which is a strategy meant to explain their plans for achieving and maintaining effective control in all high risk border sectors along the Southern border (established in Section 5(a)). The "Southern Border" refers to the international border between the United States and Mexico. The report will be submitted to several committees in Congress for review. Section 5(a)(2) explains the elements that should be included in the report, namely criteria for measuring success, capabilities that need to be obtained for the success of the strategy (equipment, personnel, etc.), and the infrastructure and technology required.pg 19-20 Congress grants the Department of Homeland Security $3,000,000,000 in order to pursue this strategy (Section 6(a)(3)(A)(i)).

The second report that the DHS is required to write and submit in 180 days is the "Southern Border Fencing Strategy" to identify where fencing, including double-layer fencing, infrastructure, and technology should be deployed along the Southern border (Section 5(b)). Congress grants the Department of Homeland Security $1,500,000,000 in order to pursue this strategy (Section 6(a)(3)(A)(iii)).

The bill would focus on three particular high risk sectors - the Tucson sector in Arizona and the Rio Grande and Laredo sectors in Texas.[8] Title I focuses on preventing additional illegal immigration into the United States.

Title I includes a number of provisions which are explained more explicitly in the bill's text. This is a short list of some of them:

• Definitions: "Rural, high-trafficked areas" are rural areas through which drugs and undocumented aliens are routinely smuggled, as designated by the Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection. The "Southwest border region" is the area in the United States that is within 100 miles of the Southern border.
• Additional U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers are added - 3,500 additional federal law enforcement officers to be trained by 2017
• Authorization for the National Guard to be deployed to the Southwest border for the following purposes:

(1) to construct fencing, including double-layer and triple-layer fencing;
(2) to increase ground-based mobile surveillance systems;
(3) to deploy additional unarmed, unmanned aerial systems and manned aircraft sufficient to maintain continuous surveillance of the Southern Border;
(4) to deploy and provide capability for radio communications interoperability between U.S. Customs and Border Protection and State, local, and tribal law enforcement agencies;
(5) to construct checkpoints along the Southern border to bridge the gap to long-term permanent checkpoints; and
(6) to provide assistance to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, particularly in rural,high-trafficked areas, as designated by the Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

• Authorizes and funds border crossing prosecutions and related court costs in the Tucson Sector at a level sufficient to increase the average number of prosecutions from 70 a day to 210 a day ($50 million from the $3 billion Border Security Fund). It also provides increased funding for Operation Stonegarden to assist state and local law enforcement to help prevent illegal activity along the border.
• Provides additional funding for additional border patrol stations and forward operating bases to interdict individuals entering the United States unlawfully immediately after such individuals cross the Southern border and to provide full operational support in rural, high-trafficked areas.
• Provides funding for vital radio communications and interoperability between CBP -Office of Border Patrol and state, local, and tribal law enforcement to assist in apprehension efforts along the border.

Border Security[edit]
The bill contains many border security measures, some of which must be implemented before illegal immigrants can adjust from the provisional status to full green card status. However, the DHS Secretary simply must submit a plan for border security within the first six months of the bill in order to initiate the provisional legal status for illegal immigrants.[32] Senator Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) explained that whether or not the border is secure will have no impact on the advancement of the legalization of illegal immigrants, saying, "We're not using border security as an excuse or a block to the path to citizenship. [The Gang of Eight] wants to make sure the border is secure, but not to use it as a barrier to prevent the 11 million from eventually gaining a path to citizenship"[33] The bill provides resources for additional CBP officers, improvements in the border security infrastructure, and increasing the number of immigration prosecutions. It also provides resources for and requires additional training for CBP officers.

The bill sets a goal of achieving a 90% success rate (Section 3(a)(3)) of intercepting and deporting undocumented immigrants who attempt to cross the border in one of the "High Risk Border Sectors" - places where more than 30,000 people cross per year (Section 3(a)(5)). In order to accomplish this, the bill would increase the number of border security personnel by 3,500 people by 2017, authorize the National Guard to participate in missions related to border security, fund additional surveillance and surveillance technology, and provide funding to build a border fence. If the bill is enacted, the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has 180 days to write and submit two reports. First, the "Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy", which is a strategy meant to explain their plans for achieving and maintaining effective control in all high risk border sectors along the international border between the United States and Mexico. Congress grants the Department of Homeland Security $3,000,000,000 in order to pursue this strategy (Section 6(a)(3)(A)(i)). The second report that the DHS is required to write and submit in 180 days is the "Southern Border Fencing Strategy" to identify where fencing, including double-layer fencing, infrastructure, and technology should be deployed along the Southern border (Section 5(b)). Congress grants the Department of Homeland Security $1,500,000,000 in order to pursue this strategy (Section 6(a)(3)(A)(iii)).

 

Let me tell you how "rounding them up and exporting them" would realistically go. ICE would arrest them, throw them into camps while they sort them and manage the logistics of moving so many people, and then, because the government is full of incompetent bureaucrats and the boots on the ground are all walking neck folds with something to prove, they'll be there for like 10 years because some paperwork got lost and ICE will start having immigrant gladiator fights for fun or some other absurd human rights abuse.

 

LOL

You think I didn't read the bill before I commented on it? That's why the failure of your arguments is such a constant companion.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/13/boehner-house-wont-negotiate-senate-immigration/

That Senate bill called for quick legal status for most illegal immigrants, though it withheld a full pathway to citizenship until after the Homeland Security Department invested in more Border Patrol agents, doubled the length of pedestrian fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border, and purchased more equipment and technology. The Senate bill also would revamp the legal immigration system to let in more foreigners based on job skills or deep family ties.

House Republicans rejected that broad approach and said they would write a series of bills dealing with immigration in pieces. House committees have cleared bills dealing with border security, interior enforcement and guest-worker programs, and leaders were working on a bill that would have legalized young illegal immigrants.

Congressional Democrats and Mr. Obama had held out hope that the House would pass some of those bills, then go to a conference committee to hammer out a final deal with the Senate. That final deal, Mr. Obama said, would have to include citizenship rights for most illegal immigrants.
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https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/immigration-house/index.html

Georgia Rep. Tom Price, a leading conservative, told reporters it was "highly unlikely" the majority of House Republicans would vote for a bill similar to the Senate deal that permits citizenship after a series of conditions are met because he and GOP colleagues don't trust the Obama administration to enforce the laws currently on the books.
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And why should citizens trust the Obama Administration?

Perhaps it was because of his refusal to insure enforcement of the provisions of IIRIRA, signed by President Clinton in 1996? You know, the Republican reform legislation that represents the current law, and is the only Immigration Reform that has been passed. Again, where were the Democrats?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_Immigration_Reform_and_Immigrant_Responsibility_Act_of_1996

 

Hard to pin you down. After exposing the border security ruse you shift to the path to citizenship, which calls for a 10 year waiting period after meeting tough criteria.
I was waiting for the "we don't trust Obama" line. Probably the most transparently disingenuous line ever uttered on the matter and nothing more than a talking point the Repubs came up with to justify blocking a bill that passed with a large bi-partisan majority in the Senate.

 

Like a wall......

 

Why were you waiting? Because you know he chose to ignore the laws on the books, and that fact can't be successfully defended?

Who wrote and passed IIRIRA? Democrats?

 

Like a wall, or like anything to insure immigration laws were enforced?

Full citizenship for illegal aliens? Really tough sell to citizens who see what Democrats are trying to do.

 

Just a reminder

 

You aren't even trying to defend what you said about border security or the path to citizenship any longer since both points have been obliterated by the provisions in the bill that passed the Senate. No surprise.

 

I'm not responsible for your inability to read.

No surprise.

 

The fact that Schumer failed to act, and compromise helps insure a huge loss for democrats in Nov.

 

Gop has all branches of government they should stop whinning and get this done! Trump’s plan actually got 39 voted in the senate! My armpit hair could have got more votes than that.! Pathetic

 

Schumer has offered offered money for the wall AND curtailment of what the right calls "chain migration" (which in reality is legal migration under current law) and that wasn't enough.
Who are you people kidding?

Trump never had any intention of reauthorizing DACA

 

And your proof of that is?