Trump Reverses Obama-Era Ban On Elephant Trophy Imports

Not hunting them is even worse for the herd

 

Right on queue, demonize those with a different opinion

 

These hunts are HIGHLY regulated and culling a herd is necessary when there is limited living space. These hunts also allow African game preserves income. Anyone who knows about such hunts is aware of 1.) they are astronomically expensive and 2.) you are specifically told the only specific animal you may shoot, which is an animal they wish to cull our any way. This will either be a nuisance animal (has become to dangerous) or is an old male that is consuming huge amounts of food but is not necessary for breeding. This allows more food and space for females and their young.

Somewhat the same is done for alligator hunts, though specific gaters are not specified. Rather, the hunt in limited to a specific area and a specific number that can be taken (expensive tag for each) for a limited period of time. Alligators are territorial and if food supply runs short they are cannibals - meaning the big ones eat the little ones. Without the culling the long term population would suffer since alligators in the wild live up to 50 years the the old generation would obliterate the next generations.

The question is should the President do what is right OR what is popular based upon public ignorance? He made the RIGHT decision in terms of what is best for wildlife but the WRONG decision in terms of popularity. But I doubt any PETA types ever vote Republican anyway.

 

Joseph you sound knowledgeable on the subject and if maintenance is needed perhaps conservation entities can be brought in to raise money to support that idea? So the sanctuaries have no reason to exploit hunting. I seriously doubt they send hunters away

But not Americans. No moderate or Independent is going to support trophy hunting of these species. 1 in 50 maybe.

It's just a bad play politics wise for conservatives

 

I think that exactly who identifies which elephants can be legally hunted. These hunts are all guided

 

Not far left sir. Moderates, independents. Don't like this. I don't like it. I'm both.

It was stupid and so so easily sensationalized. Which is all the left is good at. Sigh

 

Correct. In addition to help finance preservation of the wildlife preserve and paying the salaries of the caretakers, one old bull elephant probably eats what 20 baby elephants eat and the old bull is not necessary for breeding.

So it comes down to either 1.) the elephants are slaughtered by poachers as there are no caretakers, the preserve land is converted to agricultural land allowing no elephants and baby elephants starve to death OR 2.) raise funds and maximum the health of the herd by culling out excessive numbers of old bulls.

The so-called elephant protectors actually are advocating on behalf of poachers, to eliminate the preserve and increasingly reducing the elephant population. But they have good intentions in their ignorance.

 

The Presidents sons are Trophy Hunters! Ffs guys it's leftist media gold.

Totally stupid.

 

Bad optics for sure and bad politics too but reality is often very ugly and reality is elephanet herds have been forced into an ever shrinking habitat by human overpopulation. The alternative to culling hunts is to feed these animals and give them the antibiotics they would need to live in overcrowded areas and essentially turn them into zoo animals. That may be the option taken and as awful as it is would be the only alternative to managed hunting. Some might prefer that, I'm undecided.[/QUOTE]

 

Better to eliminate elephants with good intentions than save elephants in an unpopular way. The left lives almost exclusively in fantasyland meaning what they pursue has the actual effect of what they oppose.

How much of the wildlife preserve land should be sold off every year to covert to agricultural land? Who will police against poachers and where does that $$ come from? Are they correct that 1 old bull elephant is more important than 10 baby elephants?

 

He did this for his kids. Nothing more, nothing less......their both trophy hunters.

 

Who is going to pay for feeding the elephants? Who is going to pay for policing to keep poachers out? Who is going to stop farmers from killing elephants that come onto their land? What is going to stop the preserve land from being sold for agricultural use?

Do you advocate military invasion to seize the wildlife preserves of Africa declaring that land now is under USA control - and then we pay for everything plus have military bases there?

 

For those who have posted on this thread so far, which of you have donated $$ to save elephants? I bet none.

 

Hey man I hear you but even if you build a decent argument for it? Opposition can point out other options.

Killing purely for fun is out of style with all but the right. If we hunt and eat it ok fine but for kicks?

No... It doesn't change the facts politically. It's easily deflected and sensationalized. Guns we easily defend. This? Nooo and it's a tear jerker? And the Presidents sons are Trophy Hunters?

 

Oh my God haha and the leftist media which is all of our media is having a feeding frenzy. I know what these fools are going to do before they think it.

See they create their own narrative with just a picture. Not mature elderly Elephants but this... And like Climate Change its a debatable subject. But unlike Climate Change conservatives are killing baby Elephants. That's the narrative. And so not lifting the ban has moderate, independent and even some conservative support. See? Not smart.

 

There's a stark difference between hunting for the greater good of a species and hunting illegally just because i.e. poaching.

 

Relocation. If not feasible, see my last post.

 

No one is arguing for illegal hunting

But if you outlaw hunting the african poachers will kill all the animals you want to protect

 

I never said outlaw hunting altogether, though.

 

If there's no market there wouldn't be a need for poaching....

BTW, culling the herd usually means taking out the weak and/or sick...NOT the trophy specimens...

 

Actually it is feasible and has been done.

 

It was stupid. It's a handjob to his rich friends and doesn't actually fit with the morals of over 90% of the electorate, which is a totally random guess on my behalf.

 

Like conservationists do...they relocate them... you don't kill rare animals without thinking, unless you're a Trump or someone else who doesn't give a damn about anything.

 

Pretty stupid to try to reverse everything Obama did..Obama passed some horrible laws but this wasn’t one of them but hey bombastic trump has to make it personal. Killing animals like this is a No no for me,,only kooks support it

 

All good questions except your last paragraph. Don't know where that came from.