N. Korea Cancels Talks With S. Korea Over Drills With US

This might lead to a cancellation of the planned summit between Trump and Kim. I suspected something was afoot when Washington wanted N. Korea's nuclear weapons sent to the US. Wouldn't this make N. Korea vulnerable to an invasion - something reminiscent of Libya and Iraq?

Was it was deliberate to keep Kim from complying, or was there a misunderstanding of what Kim said? Could there be some mischief afoot, and if so is N. Korea part of it?

Pyongyang also urged the US to “undertake careful deliberations about the fate” of the planned summit between US President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, scheduled for June 12 in Singapore.

The exercise that got North Korea so wound up is Max Thunder 2018, an annual event involving dozens of US and South Korean fighters, bombers and transport aircraft. This year’s drills involve some 100 airplanes, according to South Korea’s Yonhap news agency.

Eight US F-22 stealth fighters are taking part in the exercise for the first time, as well as an unspecified number of B-52 strategic bombers based on the Pacific island of Guam. The planned show of air power “appears aimed at further pressuring the North to give up its nuclear ambitions,” according to Yonhap

https://www.rt.com/usa/426840-max-thunder-korea-drills/​

 

I might have cancelled the planned joint military excercise. We don't want to allow NK any excuse to pull out of peace talks.

If they don't want peace, the world needs to know it was strictly THEIR decision and they left a peaceful U.S. at the altar.

 

While i firmly believe they should have cancelled these, didnt Kim say a month or so ago he didnt care? That he didnt care about us soldiers in SK either?
Someone here brought that to my attention this morning.

 

My take?
The negotiations just started.
The question:
Does Trump know that?

 

Yeah and its not like Lil Kim didn't know about the exercise. So he is doing a lil sabre rattling. So that when he shows for the Summit. It will be viewed as he is coming from a position of strength.

Oh and yes he did say that he wouldn't be pushing to move US Troops out of S Korea.

 

Yes, if one is serious about getting an agreement, the first thing that would be done would have been to cancel the military exercise, as Kim released prisoners ahead of the meetings a a good faith move.

You would have canceled the exercises before and without NK suggesting it, so it would not be seen as being weak, and only doing it in response to NK demands.

I did voice fears that something would be done on our side to insure we don't meet with NK. Canceling these exercises that NK has always perceived as practice for an invasion is what a serious nation would have done ahead of the meetings. I am in no way surprised that we did not do that as a good faith measure. In fact, as I feared something would come up, there was also an expectation of that.

 

So why didn't S Korea cancel them?

 

He may have expected some moves of good faith on our part, like us cancelling what NK sees as practice for invasion and when he did not see that happening once he showed good faith in releasing those americans, he may have figured we were not at all serious and the US does not want to solve the problem. I think this is what a reasonable leader of any nation would have expected as an act of good faith and seriousness on our part.

Face is very important to orientals and we know this, as as we knew that not canceling those exercises would have risked the meetings. We should have cancelled without it being demanded, as an act of good faith, which would also have kept face for NK. I am not surprised that we did not do it. For I do not believe we want a change to the status quo in the korean peninsula. Our actions ahead of these talks evidence that.

Even when the heads of crime families meet, to end some conflict, even crime syndicates use common sense diplomacy. These mobs don't show up to the meetings armed nor do they continue their war against one another as the meeting is going on. That we would not even do what criminals will do to help along an agreement speaks volumes.

 

I dunno, but it would be nice to know if the US twisted their arms as we have done in the past. Perhaps we will find out as time goes forward. But my money says, this was not because of SK, but because of the US. And it had to have been talked about given the nature of it.

 

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/politics/north-korea-john-bolton-libya-comments/index.html

We just showed them our sincerity.

 

The thread title is a little misleading, as last I checked, which was earlier this morning, North Korea had NOT YET cancelled the plan meeting between it's leader and Trump, but simply warned that it MAY do so and that it has no interest in a one sided arrangement, wherein NK is expected to give up nuclear weapons in exchange for empty promises from Washington.

Has something changed since this morning?

 

Pompeo was just over there, again. Seems he didn't say anything to him knowing the exercise was coming. Of course cancelling a meeting with S Korea kind of shows who Lil Kim thought should have cancelled the exercise, huh?

 

Perhaps Kim thought Pompeo might bring that news as a good faith move, and when he did not, this affected Kim's thinking? Just conjecture, for we know so little about this.

Perhaps Kim wants to see something substantial over just our promises? No one, especially Kim should ever trust our promises. lol. Our word is almost as good as a wal mart parking lot confidence man trying to con you out of your bank account. In this area, we have much in common with NK and their word. And so actually doing something, beyond mere words becomes very important when dealing with the US or NK.

I have little doubt that anything we offer to Kim will be rationally acceptable for any reasonable person, so I have little hope of us ever doing anything positive with NK. Sending his nukes to the US in exchange for promises is not something anyone would ever do unless they were crazy.

We will probably give him an offer any sane person would refuse and then blame it on him for not agreeing to it. ha ha. Just watch and see if this does not happen.

 

Of course Lil Kim does have Trump and his word about TPP, the Paris Accord, The Iran Deal, the UN, NATO, Putting Tariffs on China etc etc.

Yet Pompeo said nothing about canceling any exercise. Then Lil Kim cancels meeting with S Korea. Kind of show who he sees that could have stopped it.

 

Well, we can conjecture til the cows some home. ha ha.

And this is all that it is until we find out differently.

We will just have to wait and watch this play out. Whether we will ever know the truth, all of it, is possible, but also doubtful given that our gov't classifies so many things. If we screwed up, that will of course be classified so the People will not know how inept our gov't is. I don't think there is much coordination between state dept, intel, our military and the exec. branch, unless it involved going to war. Part of the reason 911 could happen is the rivalry and lack of coordination between the FBI and various intel. IMO of course.

 

Did you forget Pompeo went back to N Korea after the release of the N Korean Prisoners?

 

I didn't write that the meeting with Trump was cancelled, only with S. Korea.

 

Here are some excerpts from an in depth article by Moon of Alabama:

"...the most experienced North Korea expert at the State Department left in disgust. The National Security Council is run by a maniac (Bolton) who had sabotaged earlier agreements with North Korea and wants to do it again..."

"...It were not the sanctions that brought (N.K) it to the table. It was its new status as a nuclear power. (Trump) believed that its "maximum pressure" campaign brought North Korea to offer "complete denuclearization". North Korea used that wording but it was meant as an aspirational aim for the whole world, not a unilateral disarmament of its new capabilities..."

"...(Bolton) has repeatedly called for a “Libya style” deal — one in which the United States simply shows up and collects the weapons and supporting infrastructure. This is madness. There is no reason to think that Kim has any intention of agreeing to such a thing..."

"...A side effect of the false believe that "maximum pressure" worked against North Korea is the Trump administration's belief that the same will work against Iran. It is why it aborted the nuclear agreement with Iran..."

"...When the CIA chief, now Secretary of State, Pompeo came to North Korea on May 10 to prepare further negotiations, the North Korean side warned that Washington was wrong in its thinking..."

"...One condition North Korea had asked for at the beginning of the negotiation cycle was a freeze of 'strategic' military exercises by South Korea and the U.S. in exchange for a freeze of nuclear and missile tests by North Korea. This was understood by both sides. The condition had held for a while but a few days ago the U.S. and South Korea announced a new exercise..."​

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/0...-summit-over-boltons-absurd-demands.html#more

 

I just reread the thread title and you're right. I misread it earlier.

Sorry.

Chalk it up to disorientation after a long, rough day at work.

 

No.Korea backs off from giving up nukes...

Now North Korea Says It’s Not Interested in Talks That Will ‘Force Us to Give Up Nukes’
May 16, 2018 | A day after North Korea hinted that next month’s summit between Kim Jong-un and President Trump could be in jeopardy, a senior official in Pyongyang said the regime is “not interested” in nuclear talks where it comes under pressure to “unilaterally” abandon its nuclear weapons.

See also:

Pompeo: ‘America's Interest Here is Preventing the Risk that NK Will Launch a Nuclear Weapon Into LA’
May 14, 2018 | Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Fox News yesterday that the ultimate purpose of the deal the President Donald Trump wants to strike with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is to ensure that North Korea gives up the capability of being able to strike the United States with a nuclear weapon.

 

I found it strange that Kim who developed nukes to insure N. Korea wouldn't end up like Libya, would ever give them up. Kim made it clear to Pompeo that his change of attitude had to do with the security he felt now that he had nukes which could hit the US.

If anyone in our State Department believed otherwise, and that Kim was bowing to pressure from our armed forces, then they are fools and shouldn't be there. Demanding Kim to give up his nukes, was nothing more than a provocation by Washington. Our government would never allow unity between the Korea's, and any mutual economic developments between them since China and Russia would be the beneficiaries.

The US has demanded North Korea ship some of its nuclear warheads and intercontinental ballistic missiles out of the country within half a year, according to Japan’s Asahi Shimbun newspaper, citing sources familiar with the talks.
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Washington better stop making demands of other nations, and start respecting their sovereignty unless we are out to destroy the world. Two weeks ago Washington demanded that Russia allow foreign ships to use its northern route between Asia and Europe. Moscow's response: Seems like we are out to open a new front in the Arctic.

 

Yes, North Korea is now making rumblings about possibly not coming to the proposed June 12 summit.

My feeling is this: Well, if Kim Jong Un really does not wish to come, then let him stay home.

He is probably just posturing, in the hope that he might gain some advantage.

But Donald Trump is not the flaccid negotiator that Little Kim may imagine.

I am hoping that Donald Trump will insist--yes, insist!--upon all of the following demands:

(1) North Korea must entirely denuclearize. (No, not merely freeze its current nuclear arsenal.) And without any sort of reciprocation.

(2) The US must be allowed to conduct intrusive inspections--which is to say, anytime and anywhere inspections, to make sure that North Korea is not cheating.

(3) War games featuring the US and South Korea--which have been going on for many decades now--will not stop. Or even take another form.

(4) The US will not withdraw from the Pacific Rim (which, incidentally, is something that China wants also).

A refusal to submit to any of the above should render any summit a total non-starter.

And if Little Kim wishes to walk--well, that is certainly his prerogative...

 

lol in your dream. NK gonna want something in return otherwise it wont denuclearize. if US attack, they will use whatever they have to devastated SK and japan, there are estimate hundreds thousands American living in those countries.

where did you get info on china want US to stay in western pacific, that's the opposite of what they want.