Special election, Ohio's 12th District

Maybe Balderson didn't win after all. The race is too close to call, and some votes in O'Conner's territory got "lost." The next day as bipartisan members of the board of elections were reviewing the race, they realized the PEB's results were missing.

"That PEB and its 588 votes were found. The breakdown was 198 votes for Republican Troy Balderson, 388 votes for Democrat Danny O'Connor and two for Green Party candidate Joe Manchik.

"That meant a net gain of 190 votes for O'Connor. Balderson's already slim margin of victory shrunk to 1,564 votes."

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ost-and-found-588-votes-tight-race/945772002/

 

That's "Hillary in a landslide" again. Even just a small bit of skepticism will help you understand that dems haven't changed after losing elections SINCE 2010. Dems have a serious problem with the American voters and refuse to change, hoping the lying liberal media will brainwash enough voters to pull them over the top in Nov.

Steve

 

Let's just say I am more of a conservative than a Republican. For certain, I am not a blindly loyal Republican who will follow his party over the abyss into chaos.

As a conservative, I disliked Clinton intensely, but, also, as a conservative, I wanted stability in government. This means voting for someone with experience rather taking a chance on someone who has no experience in Washington, no experience in governing, and no experience working with Congress. In addition, voting for a businessman who heads a major empire is the worst possible background because he used to being in charge. The President is not in charge. The two other branches of government are equal to the executive branch. The news media has a tremendous influence on what Americans think of their President and often plays a part in a President's decision making. As the boss of an empire, you don't care what Joe Sixpack and Mary Wonderful think. You only care what your CEO, CFO, and lawyers think.

All this played a part in my decision. I held my nose and voted for Clinton. With her 25 years experience as First Lady, Senator, and SecState, I voted for stability in government.

Seth, by voting for a man totally inexperienced in government and foreign affairs, you gambled with our country's stability. You voted for chaos in government. Congratulations, you got exactly what you voted for.

You voted for a man who is so incompetent, on another thread you admitted that he was a buffoon at times. You also told us we should ignore what he says. In that discussion on Trump you ended up backing down and changing the subject. http://politicalforum.com/index.php...what-trump-says.538747/page-8#post-1069463494

Trump is so bad he has become a secret President. He now completely avoids the news media, the eyes and ears of the American public.

Seth, you picked a real winner. I am proud of the fact that I did not vote for the man. I am proud to admit I voted for the other candidate ... somewhat reluctantly. It was an election with two lousy choices. Who is responsible for that? The Republican Party. Extremists in the GOP chose Trump and rejected highly experienced candidates, thinking Trump would "drain the swamp." Turns out, Trump is mired in the swamp. There are scandals and criminal indictments all around him, including possible charges against him and possible impeachment. Trump is drowning in the swamp.

Once again, congratulations on your choice. You won.

The country lost.

 

It is the fact that you have NO CLUE what is really going on in the real world, is why you don't understand events SINCE 2010. Stop believing the lying liberal media first of all.

If anyone was in doubt about government corruption in the 2016 election, then there should be NO DOUBT NOW that government corruption exists to protect corrupt bureaucrats and DEMS.

Steve

 

First Lady, Senator, and SecState, and she did each job poorly. Hillary never governed anything.
You probably voted for Obama as well who had very little experience, so quit pretending you want stability.

 

What you are is an Establishmentarian who prefers Republicans, but a fellow Establishmentarian first and foremost. So if the Republican isn't sufficiently establishmentarian for you, you'll vote for a Democrat who is.

Being a First Lady does not qualify one to be the president. She carpetbagged her way into the Senate and did virtually nothing there. She was an utterly incompetent Secretary of State.

She was deliberately deceptive as her default behavior. That woman would not just tell the truth if her life depended on it.

She loved wars in the Middle East - I'll say that much for her. Would you like to be fighting the Russians in Syria now? That's what we'd be doing if Hillary had won.

You would have received a nice, liberal activist judge on the Supreme Court, and another one on the way.

You are entitled to your opinion.

 

Speaking of not having a clue, it is interesting that you quoted only three words, completely ignoring what led up to those three words.

 

Trump extremists view anyone who votes for stability in government as "establishmentarian." They believe that stability in government is a bad thing. Stands to reason. It is why they voted for Trump and chaos.

It is a lesson learned. The average American voter will not fall victim to apathy again. That apathy resulted in the Trump administration.

I will not discuss an old lady who retired from politics nearly two years ago, mostly because I don't care about her. Never did. Go ahead, waste your time.

Yes, I am, Seth. Look around you. The federal government has descended into chaos. The President is at odds with his own advisors and members of his own party. He held a secret meeting with Putin, and he won't tell anyone about it, including his closest advisors. Now he is avoiding the media. He is scared to death of reporters and what they may ask.

He has become a secret President, an autocrat. Americans no longer have access to their President. How long will that last? Eventually, he will have to answer to the American people.

 

It's simple. The reason I only quoted 3 of YOUR WORDS is because it is ALL MEDIA BS.

Get a clue!
Sheeesh!

Steve

 

Totally false. The Trump administration is here precisely because Republicans voters were not apathetic. Had they been apathetic, Jeb Bush or some other milque toast Republican would have got the nomination, and, most likely, lost to Hillary Clinton.

You're the one who was extolling her "qualifications", Sandy.

The sky isn't falling, Sandy. The federal government is certainly not in chaos. Geez!

It was a private meeting, not a secret meeting. And how do you do know what he tells his closest advisors?

He is probably the most transparent president in modern history.

 

You have a impressive signature quoting one of our great presidents. Dwight Eisenhower was indeed a man of great strength of character, ability, integrity, and humility. That you admire these traits in a leader speaks highly of your character. I suspect we may disagree where such heroic traits are found today in our government.

 

It wasn't that bad of a gaffe. Obviously, he was talking about O'Connor who hails from Franklin County.

Why do you have such a hard time believing I am a Republican?

"But...but... GUYS... I really am a Republican I PROMISE!" It takes a pretty sick poster to falsely claim a quote of another poster. I'm guessing you voted for Trump. Lying to Americans is one of his tactics. He uses it a lot.

 

Nope, only Trump. For example I am strongly opposed to Trump's tariffs. Conservatives want free trade, and a large majority of Republicans in Congress strongly oppose Trump's tariffs. Protective tariffs are a liberal concept. You think Trump's tariffs are a good idea. Hmmm!

No, you have not. All you have done is what you did here. Attack the messenger, not what the messenger said.

 

If you weren't so BRAINWASHED you would know that Trump wants FAIR TRADE and is opposed to tariffs as well. But YOU ARE SO INTENT on destroying Trump you are going to destroy everyone and every business in the U.S.

As we post, China is getting it's own reprisals for bad trade from inside China.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/09/han...causes-rift-in-chinese-leadership-source.html

GET A GRIP ON REALITY FOR GODSAKES!

Steve

 

I see your point. Looks like a lot of Republicans stayed home.

 

Trump imposed a 25% steel tariff and a 10% aluminum tariff on Canada, Mexico, Japan, Australia, and the 28 countries of the EU. We are in a trade war with our trading partners, and the full effect will take place in late summer, early fall, just in time for the November elections.

"Trump wants FAIR TRADE and is opposed to tariffs." He has a strange way of showing it. It is not what he says. It is what he does. He is using liberal protective tariffs against our friends and allies and you support him.

Live with it.

 

I SUPPORT any president that stands up for the American worker, and I have lived with past presidents that did no such thing. The evidence is 95 MILLION workers that are no longer counted as employed or unemployed.

YOU ARE BRAINWASHED! The U.S. is the LARGEST CONSUMER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET, and therefore can easily sustain itself by buying its OWN GOODS while the rest of the world CANNOT. They depend on U.S. citizens buying their goods.

That game was OVER the day it began.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/09/han...causes-rift-in-chinese-leadership-source.html


Steve

 

It takes a pretty -dumb- poster to be unable to distinguish an actual quote from one made tongue in cheek.

 

Yeah the 150 or so 115+ year old voters really helped him.

 

In high government position, I admire Secretary of Defense Mattis probably more than anyone.



I wish we could resurrect Ike.

The people of the world genuinely want peace. Some day the leaders of the world are going to have to give in and give it to them.

I have only one yardstick by which I test every major problem - and that yardstick is: Is it good for America?

When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war.

I can think of nothing more boring for the American people than to have to sit in their living rooms for a whole half hour looking at my face on their television screens.

If men can develop weapons that are so terrifying as to make the thought of global war include almost a sentence for suicide, you would think that man's intelligence and his comprehension... would include also his ability to find a peaceful solution.

There is nothing wrong with America that faith, love of freedom, intelligence, and energy of her citizens cannot cure.

Only Americans can hurt America.

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.

- Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

Yea I get it, but a win is a win!

 

Trump is changing all that.

Republicans across the country were shaken this week when Democrat Patty Schachtner won a special election in a rural Wisconsin district that President Trump won by 17 points. In a tweet after the polls closed, Gov. Scott Walker (R) called the results “a wake up call for Republicans in Wisconsin.”

The dozens of special elections that have occurred since Trump took office indicate the enthusiasm gap is real: Compared with prior elections, Democratic voters have shown up at higher rates in ordinarily low-turnout special elections than Republicans have.

In the last year, states have conducted 98 special elections for legislative seats, ranging from a U.S. Senate seat in Alabama to state House races in New Hampshire. Democrats have flipped 16 of those seats — including the race in Alabama, where Doug Jones became the first Democrat to win a Senate seat in a generation. Republicans have won only three formerly Democratic-held seats, in Louisiana, Mississippi and Massachusetts.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/369847-why-democrats-keep-winning-special-elections

 

You make things up as you go along, whatever, suits you, to hell with the truth. Read post #47.

Of course, a lot Trump fans do that. They learned it from dear leader.

 

The average American voter is not the Trump extremist. You got confused. I was referring to the 90 million Americans who stayed home on election day because they couldn't make up their mind or they thought Clinton was a shoe-in.

Pompeo and Coats have said Trump didn't confide in them. The silent SecDef, Mattis, is as silent as ever. Trump hasn't said he told his advisors. In view of all the criticism he is getting on this issue, you'd think he would at least lie about it.

That's the problem sometimes with Trump's fans. Faced with harsh reality, they avoid it and return to their fantasy world. I have told you why Trump has become a secret President, and you haven't challenged a thing I have said. In a way, you supported my assertions by pointing out Trump's preferred method of communication, the one-way tweet.

He is avoiding all questions from reporters. This began two weeks before he went on vacation. It continues during his vacation.

 

The question might well be asked, who is brainwashed?

Protective tariffs are a liberal concept. To protect factory workers Trump uses tariffs as a weapon against Canada, Japan, Australia, Mexico, and the 28 countries of the EU. We are in a trade war with all those nations. The latest numbers from The Trade Partnership, a DC-based economics research firm, tell us the liberal is wrong. Trump's tariffs will cost jobs, not save them. Some 400,000 jobs will be lost, with 16 losses for every job created by the tariffs, the group said.

https://qz.com/1297697/trumps-steel-tariffs-will-cost-the-us-400000-jobs-says-economists-now/

I SUPPORT any president that stands up for the American worker. Steve