Oh... how Republican candidates looove Obamacare!

I dare any of you lefties to find one republican quote saying they are against pre existing conditions.

 

Their voting records are clear. Every single one of them opposed instituting protections for pre-existing conditions, every single one of them has repeatedly voted to repeal them.

 

This is something 90% of Americans want and need. Only the extreme on the right wage silly arguments like this.

 

If the Dems don't spend a bundle on ads exposing this breathtaking hypocrisy they deserve to loose. Now the latest BS from the right wing fantasy machine is "Oh, we didn't mean to repeal the pre-existing conditions part of Obamacare." Goebbels would be so proud. Okay, wonder buns, then 'splane why Republicans in 20 (or is it 25) red states are suing to remove pre-existing coverage clauses from health insurance in their state? The same governors that proclaim from the roofs of their outhouse that they will protect pre-existing coverage with their life, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. That last part is pretty funny.

Well, now Trump's done it; started a lying epidemic for which there is no cure.

 

They are.

GOP alarmed Obamacare attacks could cost them the House

 

Walker is trying to support the Obamacare exchanges but that isn't the same as supporting all of Obamacare. He wanted to repeal and replace it, but that doesn't mean he is against healthcare exchanges. Poliquin and McMorris have removed anti-Obamacare content from their websites but that doesn't mean they support Obamacare now. Hawley's "support" of preexisting conditions coverage doesn't mean he supports Obamacare.

 

Uhmm no there wasn't. There was never a proposal by Republicans that would have maintained coverage for pre-existing conditions. The one that most resembled an actual Healthcare Law, Graham-Cassidy and which was barely struck down by one vote (McCain's) specifically authorized states to waive pre-existing condition coverage.

See? This is the problem. Republicans don't know their own Party's proposals. I opened another thread because Trump supporters who are on Social Security and Medicare didn't know that Mitch McConnell was signaling how he was going to get rid of those programs. And you didn't know that Republicans wanted to do away with coverage for pre-existing conditions.

One thing is to be against these things, and vote accordingly. But it's a different thing when GOP voters don't understand what it is they are voting for.

 

Because Obamacare was the first time those with preexisting conditions could obtain health insurance at semi reasonable cost and you right wingers have done nothing but attack and try to destroy it from it's inception.You have given health insurance companies all the cover they needed to drive premiums upwards,while offering no decent alternatives.

 

Which is exactly why we should have Single Payer instead of FOR PROFIT healthcare in this nation.

 

You do realize that Obamacare uses PRIVATE INSURANCE right? It's not state-controlled healthcare. It's corporatist, not socialist.

And it's gonna cost more when you have hundreds of millions of additional people being covered by insurance. The cost wouldn't be anywhere near as high if the Republicans had been willing to raise the FICA cap, but they refused because they felt making millionaires pay more for FICA was wrong.

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Can you cite that? Cause I remember several politicians saying it wouldn't. They repealed the part of Obamacare that required insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions, and from I remember, didn't pass anything in Trumpcare to replace it. So, if you could tell me the part of Trumpcare that covers it, I would be grateful.

 

No it didn't.

 

Tell us the part that removed it?

 

Trump drove up the cost of the ACA !!

All of the Crap Trumpcare plans didn't cover Pre Existing conditions

Undercutting and chiseling away at it ..... The ACA still what Americans want!

https://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/201...ing-conditions-are-back-under-new-trump-rule/

 

Yep, he addressed pre ex. But not in a good way. From https://www.firstquotehealth.com/health-insurance-news/trumpcare-pre-existing-conditions

Treatment Of Pre-Existing Conditions Under Trumpcare
The Trumpcare plan, officially called the American Health Care Act (AHCA), rolls back the protection that the ACA put in place. Under the AHCA, states can allow insurance companies to charge people with pre-existing conditions more for a healthcare plan if the states meet requirements like setting up a high-risk insurance pool. While insurance companies would still be prohibited from denying coverage outright, premiums can be raised high enough to force people out of the market entirely.

The bill does seem designed to give an intention of protecting people with pre-existing conditions, but the exact wording of the Trumpcare bill only requires that states explain how they “shall maintain access to adequate and affordable" coverage for people with pre-existing conditions in their application to allow insurance providers to charge more. There is no mechanism to actually require states to take any action or comply with their plans. There is also no requirement under this Trumpcare pre-existing conditions clause that requires the plan to be reasonable or actually work.

Higher Premiums For Pre-Existing Conditions
An AARP report found that premiums under the AHCA could reach $25,700 per year ($2,141 per month) for people in high-risk pools who are expected to have high healthcare costs. The report found that the government subsidies paid to states who set up high-risk pools would not be close enough to offset the costs.

A second report by the Center for American Progress found that premiums could be even higher for very serious conditions. This report found that Trumpcare pre-existing conditions like metastatic cancer could result in charges of more than $142,000 by some insurers for coverage, an increase of 3,500%.

If Trumpcare becomes law, insurance companies may not be able to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions, but the point becomes moot if coverage is cost-prohibitive. Most families will be unable to afford premiums that can top $2,000 per month due to Trumpcare pre-existing conditions.

Along with being cost-prohibitive, plans offered in high-risk pools before the ACA were also less comprehensive than coverage for other consumers. This meant people with a pre-existing condition like diabetes paid significantly more for health insurance that offered worse coverage.

What Do Trumpcare Pre-Existing Conditions Mean For You?
If you have a pre-existing health condition, you will likely be affected in some way. People who get healthcare coverage through their employer would not be majorly affected by this change unless they transition to the individual insurance market, such as through job loss. Still, people with employer-sponsored health insurance will likely pay higher out-of-pocket expenses in the case of a serious illness. This is because the AHCA contains a little-known provision that threatens out-of-pocket limits for catastrophic illnesses like cancer.

Getting individual health insurance under Trumpcare has a good chance of affecting you through higher premiums. Depending on your health, even a fairly benign pre-existing condition like asthma or acne can result in higher premiums.

Who Has Pre-Existing Conditions Under Trumpcare?
According to the HHS, nearly 50% of all non-elderly adults have at least one pre-existing condition. About 130 million people in the U.S. have a pre-existing condition. The most common include:

• High blood pressure - 44 million
• Behavioral health disorders - 45 million
• High cholesterol - 44 million
• Asthma and chronic lung conditions - 34 million
• Osteoarthritis and joint disorders - 34 million

Older adults have much higher rates of pre-existing conditions that can lead to skyrocketing insurance costs under the Trumpcare plan. 75% of adults between 45 and 54 years old have at least one pre-existing health condition. This rate increases to 84% among people between 55 and 64.

Very young people are not immune to health issues, either. About 1 out of every 4 children has a pre-existing health condition and would be affected by eliminating health care protection.

 

As long as healthcare is provided by for profit businesses (hospitals, insurance companies and drug companies) without regulations, people will pay a high price. Especially since those industries have lobbyists. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

 

Equivocation has proven to be a successful formula for cajoling many voters. The GOP has figured out how to have their cake,eat it, and **** the baker...

 

They ( GOP) are jumping on the ACA bandwagon for one reason......they fear Medicare for all. At least Obamacare supports Govt. Money going into the coffers of private insurance companies. They can’t get rid of the preexisting conditons mandate and they can’t pay for it with their plans, the ones they don’t have.

Right now, the biggest ally the Dems have, is Mich McConnell’s big mouth.

 

Ha ha
It’s better to practice socialism for infrastructure, the military and healthcare. Socialism in freely chosen programs like Medicare is not a bad word if voters support it. Some doubters actually thing we don’t already practice socialism. Like, who plows your roads ?

 

Wrong! He supported doing away with coverage for pre-existing conditions. Now he says he has "always" supported it. Which is a lie.

i hope you realize that the phrase "repeal and replace" is nonsense. Even the majority of Democrats want to replace Obamacare. But it's meaningless unless you have something to replace it with.

Democrats, for example, want to replace it with a single-payer system. Medicare for all, is one alternative that has been proposed. Republicans have proposed nothing to replace it. (FYI, Graham-Cassidy is not a replacement)

As for the rest of your post, you're repeating what I said on the OP. Any particular reason why?

 

Exactly. The main feature of the ACA is insuring everyone affordabley. Congress belongs to a group plan and most of theses guys and gals would be dead now without a plan that guarantees their insurance for a reasonable rate. Still, they have no plan if their own, never had. They’re just BSing.
Only single payer can accomplish all the goals of the ACA and do it cheaply.

 

It makes perfect sense that insurance companies decided to refuse covering pre-existing conditions. That's what insurance companies are supposed to do. They assess the risks and expected costs and adjust their premiums accordingly or decide to not enter a contract at all. Unfortunately, when it comes to healthcare, those voluntary economic interactions between insurance companies and their customers involve life and death decisions.

While a staunch libertarian may not see a problem here at all, many people disagree. The seemingly easy fix of forcing insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions by law has its downsides too. Healthy people can choose to have no health insurance at all until they run into a problem. At that point, health insurers are forced to enter a contract that is pretty much guaranteed to be a loss. There lies the difference to, for example, insurance against theft. At the time you insure an item against theft, it can't be stolen already. Premiums have to rise to cover the costs generated by people who buy health insurance only for as long as they desperately need it. If all customers of health insurance companies truly optimize this, health insurance becomes pretty much pointless. Unless you're sure that your particular ailment will cost sufficiently far above average, you should pay for all of it out of pocket instead of choosing astronomically high insurance premiums. Given the low average savings, however, that's totally unrealistic too.

A solution to this particular issue, that was supported by many Republicans in the past, is called the individual mandate. If you get healthy people to buy insurance using incentives and/or penalties, a functional healthcare system can be built even when pre-existing conditions are covered by law (albeit you still have plenty of opportunities to mess it up). Once the individual mandate was implemented by the Obama administration, Republicans disowned it. They've repealed the individual mandate again by now, leaving us with the previous irresponsible situation that is not a viable long term solution.

And if all of this weren't enough, for some ungodly historical reason, employers got involved in this whole healthcare debacle too. That doesn't make any sense at all. Nobody expects employers to provide housing, clothing, or groceries, but two-thirds rely on health coverage from their employer. Why? To prevent some people from leaving their job to create new businesses? To obfuscate who pays for what?

 

It’s hard to understand because GOP supporters can’t do the math. For profit insurance is Trickle down health insurance that only the well off can afford. Republicans support trickle down. That means that single payer is beyond their comprehension. Anything that is beyond their understanding, they plant an “ ism” onto it.....communism, Marxism, now socialism.

 

Republicans having been saved by John McCain from their frenzy to savage Americans' healthcare coverage gave them the chance to now falsely claim they support the popular provisions of the ACA. (Turtle is still sniveling about repeal.)

The US's is by no means up to the systems of advanced nations in terms of cost, inclusiveness, and efficiency, but may be the closest they'll ever get to Fake Don's promised "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" at "less cost!", superfluous fat cat profiteers and their ideological dupes being vehemently opposed to any such progress.

 

Group insurance plans cover pre ex. Why? Because the healthy will not use the insurance while the unhealthy will. It balances out. That's why the mandate was in place...to ensure that the unhealthy were not left out. No for profit insurance company will extend affordable coverage to anyone who will (in their words) abuse the plan.