Why are guns holy objects in this country?

Thank god our country has never operated that way

 

Tamir Rice (12 year old boy) was shot and killed by police officers for having BB gun that looked like a semi-auto pistol.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...gun-that-looked-like-a-semi-automatic-pistol/

 

To quote the Dark Knight movie, it is because we accept that those type of shootings are supposed to happen. The mass shootings are usually of people that we do not expect to get killed by guns.

Illegal guns and legal guns are interrelated, but the NRA does not want us to know this. The easier it is to get legal guns will increase the amount of illegal guns. Some may argue that the states with stricter gun laws still have high gun crime, but those people forget that buying guns in other states with less strict laws is quite easy. When I live in NJ, it was easy to go to PA and get guns at gun shows. Almost all illegal guns were legal guns at one point.

 

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In Vietnam you forgot Soviet provided (and Soviet manned) SAMs that shot down more than 1,000 American aircraft. For that matter you forget Soviet naval vessels harassing U.S. Naval forces in the South China Sea near continually during the war knowing that the U.S. couldn't retaliate against them.

In neither Afghanistan or Vietnam did the locals actually "win" the war. The Soviets and U.S. both basically lost interest. And it still cost the Afghans and Vietnamese literally millions of citizens.[/QUOTE]

Ah yes, America has never lost a war, they just loose interest. Self deception is the aphrodisiac to soothe what you can’t accept.

 

Is this a joke? The amount of freedom you have is tied tight to you’re bank statement and credit rating. You live in corporate America where the mighty $ rules. Please wake up.

 

It's not bizarre at all. The lefties know who has all the guns, and they know that they don't.

If they ever manage to get some kinda law that ignores the second and basically tells you to turn your guns in, they're gonna use their guns to get yours.

It has nothing to do with a fear of guns from them, but rather a fear that guys like you have them. They're terrified of that because they have plans for you that don't involve healthcare or global warming or social justice, and you having a gun puts a serious crimp in their plans.

Just remember, whenever these gun grabbers start talking about "common sense", what they really mean is that it's common sense to them that you having a gun is a pretty dangerous thing for them. When Nancy Pelosi or Diane Feinstein start talking about "common sense", they're not talking about disarming their security guys.

They are talking about you, and they don't like you one little bit.

 

The post in question was indeed read. The question regarding background checks, in a setting where background checks already exist and are in play, serves no purpose, and does nothing but suggest a complete lack of understanding regarding the subject matter.

 

Ultimately for what purpose? Why are limitations such a necessity, that they must simply be implemented at any cost? Explain the reasoning behind such a position.

 

Except for when it is proven as being factually correct by history. Genocide orchestrated on the part of the government of a particular nation usually occurs only after significant firearm-related restrictions and confiscation have been enacted, to disarm as much of the affected populace as possible.

 

If we confiscate all guns, we wouldn't have mass shootings but it's the first thing tyrants do when they assume power.

We have accept a level of risk by allowing people the right to defend themselves with capable weapons. With freedom comes challenges... My parents come from a country that many decades ago had 0 freedoms, run by a dictator. Guess what, there was almost NO CRIME and no-one had guns but at what expense? no freedoms..

The problem we have is how easily people can obtain guns, it's not the guns themselves. I live in NC and for me, i had to go to sheriff's office and wait weeks before i cleared a background check, then i could obtain a gun. If we followed this system across the nation and do not make ANY exceptions (gun shows, hunting rifles etc..) i guarantee we would have less mass shootings. We could also make it harder for someone to get an AR-15, like have them go through a phycological evaluation. In some ways, it's easier to obtain a high powered rifle than a hand gun, which doesn't make sense to me.

It's about sensible laws but NOT ban any guns... too many f-d up people can bypass background checks and obtain a powerful weapon, even if they have known psychological issues. Funny enough, NRA has actually offered some ideas, this is rarely discussed by the left as anything less than confiscating guns is not enough.

 

Who is "WE" And since when has it been hard to get any type of contraband in the U.S.? Mexicans love U.S. dollars, Canadians like it fairly well too! So if this is your justification for some death then my suggestion is to revise your "Acceptable list" and turn your attention to more important matters other than those unfortunate people that are statistically meant to be shot

 

And lots of deaths by other means

 

And they still have gun deaths and mass shootings even with all that totalitarian behavior. Sad.

 

DGUs?
Only just shy of 1million - 2 million depending on if you want the liberal gun control group study number or the conservative gun rights group study number.


Eat your vegetables.

 

You're late to the party. Scroll up. Tldr: he was brandishing the thing at passersby, not simply having it or using it properly.
Dont play stupid games wont win stupid prizes.

 

You are fairly close to a ban in California, start your experiment there. If that works show the rest of us how easy it will be received in Chicago and how orderly all those ghetto's are disarmed and stay disarmed.. Before you yell "ALL OF THE U.S. needs to disarm for it to work!" Then explain how you are going to control the southern border and the those living south of it from selling new arms to criminals that will certainly enjoy the new advantage

 

Come on, they love and “care” about everyone. Diversity is good you know.

To be brutally honest I’m about worn out on this issue. I’m about the most law abiding type person out there but I’ll never roll over on the 2A. I’m tired of the lies and talk. It’s time for honesty and to hash it out one way or the other. I’m encouraged by you and others in this thread who feel the same.

 

In fact, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

 

OP...guns set us free from England. Guns keep up free from the dems and tyranny. Without the 2A...all is lost.

 

If you want to get to the meat of this lunacy then it boils to just a few points of interest!

Leftist believe we will be safer without guns.
Leftist believe we have unstable people with firearms.
Leftist believe we are a violent country.
Leftist believe in open borders and sanctuary cities.
Leftist cant disarm criminal, now.
Leftist believe law abiding gun owners will be safer unarmed.

 

quoting Mao isn't exactly the best strategy to justify a constitutionally protected freedom in the United States.

The bottom line is if the U.S. federal govt. decided (don't get into the reasons) to become massively oppressive and started killing massive numbers of American citizens and the regular military was fully supportive of it then Americans could have ten times as many guns as they have now and it would make no difference.

 

A better system.....not a perfect one

 

That's what happens when most guns are banned. Do you want the US to ban most guns?

 

No I don't. I don't want them to ban any guns

 

Heh. Very few compared to us, and it's not at all totalitarian. Fact is, people still do things with guns in Europe, like go hunting, target shooting, whatever gun owners generally like to do, yet the gun laws do not allow for the kind of gun freedumb that we have, which sees a lot of people killed and injured entirely unnecessarily, and all because of lobbying and a badly outdated or misinterpreted constitutional amendment that speaks of "a well-regulated militia," something we have basically replaced with modern police and military forces.