Will Americans soon get to see Trump's long-hidden tax returns?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Natty Bumpo, Jan 27, 2019.

  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Finally?

    A few diehard RINOs of Trumpery are determined that their messiah's persistent lie be perpetuated, but most Americans expect him to come clean and do what he repeatedly promised to do.
    Trump's refusal to release his tax returns is one of the longest-running scandals of his political career.

    Trump spent six years saying he'd have no problem releasing his returns, and even scolded a fellow Republican candidate for waiting too long to do so.

    During his "birther" campaign of falsely claiming President Obama was not born in the United States, Trump offered a public deal: If Obama released his birth certificate, he'd release his tax returns.

    Of Romney in 2012: “The candidate must release his tax returns, ASAP!”

    Trump started saying this in January, telling Fox News that releasing the returns is a "great thing" because it lets a person prove "you've been successful, and that you've made a lot of money. I actually think it's a positive!" he said.

    In 2012, after Trump’s crackpot birther nonsense had become laughable, Trump declared, ”If I decide to run for office, I'll produce my tax returns, absolutely. And I would love to do that!”

    "I would certainly show tax returns if it was necessary," he said in a 2015 radio interview with Hugh Hewitt.

    In January, 2016, Trump said he and his campaign were "working on" getting the returns out, but it was hard because it "is not, like a normal tax return."

    Starting the next month, though, Trump introduced the excuse he'd stay with for the rest of the campaign: He couldn't get them out because he was under a "routine audit" from the IRS. (The IRS has stated that nothing is preventing from Trump from releasing his returns.)

    Trump stuck to the audit line right through the election, even saying in one of the presidential debates that the returns would come "as soon as the audit's finished."
    (The IRS has stated that nothing is preventing from Trump from releasing his returns.)

    By Election Day, the only thing that emerged were pages from his 1995 returns that were leaked to the New York Times. They revealed that, at the time, Trump's businesses had lost nearly a billion dollars, enough to allow him to skirt income tax for up to 18 years.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/times-donald-trump-release-tax-returns-article-1.3061868

    "Here's what I know: Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud.
    His promises are as worthless as
    a degree from Trump University.
    He's playing members of the American public for suckers:
    He gets a free ride to the White House,
    and all we get is a lousy hat!"

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    With Willard Romney challenging or backing challengers of the unpopular chronic tax release delinquent in the coming presidential primaries, Trump's enduring lie will inevitably be dredged up out of the reality tv performer's bottomless Yucca Mountain of fake claims.

    Now is Trump's opportunity to finally honor his word, remind us why he was once a savvy shlock-tv performer, and take the wind out of Willard's sails.
     
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    An Old Guy Well-Known Member

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    It's no surprise that all of Trump's past statements prove him to be a pathological liar, a fraud and a con artist. As for his tax records and Trump Organization records, I'm guessing Mueller has what he needs and has had this info for a long time. In the summer of 2017 the Mueller group arranged to work with the elite investigative group of the IRS - the CI (criminal investigations) unit. Also, while the Trump Organization did cooperate initially with producing files and documents etc. Mueller did issue a subpoena in early 2018, likely because he figured the Trump people might not have been fully forthcoming. Combine this with DC and Maryland issuing subpoenas to the Trump Organization in late 2018...and the ongoing State of NY investigation of Trump's companies which could ramp up significantly - I'd say Trump World is being "looked at" like never before. Who knows what will turn up......

    I think eventually we'll see Trump's tax returns or at least summaries of them at some point in time. Clearly he has something to hide........and his crap about not releasing his tax filings due to "being audited" is just that - crap. The IRS is not stopping Trump from releasing his tax filings. There is nothing stopping Trump from releasing his tax returns, except his refusal to do so.......
     
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    I think all presidential candidates should be releasing their tax returns. I'd also like to see them drug-tested and go through a background process.

    Obama, for example, wouldn't have passed a background check to simply become a police officer, what with his prior drug use and questionable financial dealings in Chicago. Hillary and the Clinton Foundation should have been audited before she became a major party candidate.

    We shouldn't leave the vetting of presidential candidates to a biased media, as their self-interest in who they wish to see elected allow them to selectively examine candidates...

    Edit: In fact, all members of congress should be annually audited. How does someone like Scott Peters from my state, California, for example, become wealthy? Most of his career has been in the public sector.

    And all members of congress should be be subject to random drug testing.

    It is our government, and these people supposedly serve us. I'm glad to see your newfound interest in Fed.gov accountability, Natty...
     
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    1. Any narrative on Trump's tax returns (or any candidate's or office holder's of any political party) that does not include and discuss the necessary context of the lengthy financial disclosures required by FEC is a lie narrative specifically crafted to deceive. So in the interest of honesty and full context, here's a link to Trump's 90+ page FEC disclosure:

    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/TrumpFinancialDisclosure20150722.pdf

    Any narrative or media or whomever who continues blathering on and on and on for years about "Trump's taxes" without dealing with or commenting on this document and what's in it is a liar pushing a lie narrative towards propaganda, not someone interested in an honest analysis of Donald Trump's financial position.

    Anyone seeking more financial disclosure by federal or other candidates should call their Congressional Representatives and advocate for it. That's what adults do, not bray out "Trump taxes Trump taxes!" for years like jackasses despite not being able to distinguish a Schedule C from a K1 or have any earthly idea what they are reading.

    2. As most anyone in the private sector knows (but apparently few in the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex know) tax returns are not particularly useful in ferreting out general financial crimes or fraud, only tax evasion, and only in conjunction with other records. Yes, Complex ignoramuses, tax returns in and of themselves are not useful, but it's not surprising that people who mostly file EZ wouldn't know that, hence their lies gain traction with their ignorant, low income voting blocs. Since Trump has been audited since forever, it's a pretty safe conclusion that he hasn't evaded any taxes.

    3. Tax returns ARE useful, though, when the ORANGEMANBAD barrel has been well and fully scraped, and more half-truths and factoids are necessary to continue that propaganda campaign. Therefore, it would be legal malpractice to advise Trump to EVER release his tax returns into the FAKE NEWS Orangemanbad MSM extension of the Democratic Party.

     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Talk of potential financial illegalities has taken a back seat in light of revelations regarding Cohen and Stone. It may prove to be at the heart of all the lies, cover-ups, and obfuscation. If they haven't already, Trumpers will soon learn Don's money is the most important thing in the world to him. It is what he derives his celebrity from and thus what put him in a position to con the minions all the way to the WH.
     
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  6. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Why do you need to pretend that I do not support the federal government's accountability?

    I'm hoping that you are concerned when a politician repeatedly lies to the American public and arrogantly thinks he can get away with it.

    If there are things Trump was convinced would destroy his ambitions if revealed, fine, He should have displayed a modicum of integrity by simply refusing to comply with what has come to be expected of presidential candidates, not persisted in his fraudulent assurances and fake excuses.

    With the public expecting him to finally come clean, he cannot pull the same scam if he ever again runs for office.
     
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    Long-hidden? Aren’t they with everyone else’s...at the IRS???
     
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    Because no cop has ever smoked pot? And for your information the Clinton Foundation has regular audits.

    I don't see the need for drug testing. Many of them could use some drugs. I would like updated financial disclosures.
     
  9. Medieval Man

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    Not weed; we wouldn't be able to staff our police departments if we eliminated anyone who smoked MJ as a teen.

    Cocaine, on the other hand, usually disqualifies a candidate...
     
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    Nobody should vote for anybody whose finances are behind the backs of the people. Trump is guilty of repeated and gross conflicts of interest!
     
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    Scandal? LOL
     
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    A person who strongly wants to keep their tax returns hidden (while president of the people) is obviously trying to HIDE something. I look forward to his tax returns being revealed.
     
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    As long as a corrupt administration doesn't weaponize the IRS, as the Obama administration did, we should certainly expect public disclosure of tax returns of those running for president.

    And I'm not concerned about your support of Fed.gov accountability, but rather your support of those who share your ideology who might be administrating our federal government at the time.

    Hold Trump accountable? Sure. But also hold others accountable...
     
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    It is not surprising that many in many demographic groups are all in favor of Democrat congressmen breaking the law in the hopes they might see something titillating. Problem is not one in probably 100.000 -- maybe 1,000,000 -- will be able to comprehend more than about 2 or 3 lines of Trump's many-paged tax return. They'll just have to wait for the fake news to pull bits and pieces and make exciting stuff up.
     
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    Okay should trump choose to fight this obviously unconstitutional power grab it will likely be more than a decade before this gets through the court system. And when they do get it the only thing that will happen, is that several peoples eyeballs will glaze over as the try to figure out what the hell they are looking at..
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Attempted diversions notwithstanding, I concur with most Americans that expect Trump to desist in making fake excuses and release his tax returns as he had repeatedly promised.
     
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    I believe he should release his tax returns. However, I doubt that they can force him to release them.
     
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    I don't approve of Trump saying he would release his tax returns and then not doing so. He said he would so he should. But once everyone looks the return over I will be willing to bet nothing will change. Who remembers all the tax returns of all the other politicians -- I don't. At some point we need to realize he ain't going to release his tax return and he lied. Now on to the next crisis.
     
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    I'd also like to see candidates release college transcripts and other information about how they paid tuition. Interesting that Obama, to this day, still refuses to release this information.

    We can't expect a biased media to inquire about these issues, as they show more interest in establishing a favorable narrative for their candidate rather than engage in investigative reporting.

    What information, if any, from a candidate do you believe should be off-limits, Natty?
     
  20. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Digressions aside, do you agree that Trump should stop offering fake excuses and release his tax returns as he had repeatedly promised he would do?
     
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    What you see as 'digressions' I see as hypocrisy on the part of the left in demanding those on the right play by a different set as rules.

    Should Trump release his taxes? Of course, but in this political climate I'd hope he'd wait to ensure the Democratic Party candidate who will face him in 2020 also does so.
     
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    If he keeps his promise, or has it kept for him. no one will have to bet.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...=Feed:+reuters/topNews+(News+/+US+/+Top+News)

    The fact that he lied about releasing them, and fiercely opposes doing what he repeatedly promised to do is very suspicious.

    Of course, if his keeping his promise exonerates him, that will quash the suspicion,
     
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    98% of the populace won't have a clue on how to read Tump's tax return.
     

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