New generic take on my last OP. What is a right?

Legal rights are all that matter

 

Dude every child in America has that right. Call it whatever you want....but every child in America has that right

 

Which totally avoids the truth. Legislation is often passed that is later, sometimes decades later, is considered unconstitutional.

 

Until it is declared unconstitutional it is presumed constitutional.

Legal rights are all that matter in the real world

 

No, it is presumed legal, not constitutional. Natural rights are protected FROM government.

 

No it is legal and it is presumed constitutional.

Legal rights are all that matter

 

Until they don't.

 

Yep. Education is a right now....so it matters

 

Education was never a right. Only those that do not understand what rights are would say it was.

 

Name a child in America denied a free and appropriate education

 

Rights aren’t granted by the constitution.

 

They are granted by the government

 

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No they aren’t. Rights are what society decides they want to have.

 

And society forms a government which Grant's the right. I think we are saying the same thing. Rights come from the people.

 

Governments don’t grant rights.

Yes. What society says they want. Government doesn’t grant them. They codify them in the law

 

I would argue against that. We have voted and agreed that government (mostly local) will provide primary education. But it is not something government must provide except under laws we have passed. If we change the law, you are on your own. But government will not prevent you from sending your girls to a Catholic school at your own expense. Once your kid graduates from 12th grade you are on your own again. If you want to go to med school, government is not charged with giving you another 8-12 years of education. It is a bit like the Interstate Highway system. It is not a "right" government must provide, but we all agreed we would pass a law to provide those highways. If you commute between Laramie and Custer, you can't sue that there is no interstate between them. They didn't violate your rights.

 

The government is required to give every child in America a free and appropriate education up until at least the age of 18. Those are the limits of that right....but the right can not be denied to any child

 

"New generic take on my last OP. What is a right?"

a "right" is something the government can not take away from free people

a "privilege" is something that can be taken away by the government

 

In reality these become semantics. The government can take anything away

 

A right is something we are able to do without affecting somebody else.

 

Not in the US

 

sigh....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —

Do you know where that comes from?

 

There is no such thing as a "right".

There are things that society agrees you can have but that's about it.

There is nothing written in the cosmos guaranteeing you anything.

Put it this way.

There are only two people in the world and one man says he wants to kill the other man.

The other man says, "no you can't, I have a right to life".

The first man says, "no you don't".

What does the other man say to prove that he does?

Without another person there to back him up (society) then that right does not exist.

 

Was it the godfather? I always mix up movie quotes. Lol